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To: Chad Fairbanks
BS. They were placed there and made to look as if they've been sitting unsecured at various polling places since the election.

Were they? Wow! Amazing!

I have a question, though. If you have evidence implicating election officials in this incredibly felonious act, why haven't you come forward with it?

Or is it possible that you don't have evidence, that you're just engaging in wishful thinking? If so, where's your honor? Where's your integrity? Didn't anyone ever tell you it's not right to accuse people of crimes unless you have evidence?

This is wrong. Assuming the story about the uncounted absentees is true (and I've seen no evidence it's not), those ballots should be counted. Even if they cause Rossi to lose... which they may not. I don't want Rossi sitting in the governor's mansion if Gregoire got more votes. There are more important things than winning.

15 posted on 12/16/2004 12:07:11 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities; Chad Fairbanks

So you're cool with them just finding ballots wherever they happen to turn up? Do I have that right?


28 posted on 12/16/2004 12:11:32 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: Politicalities

Ok, since it appears you have no clue what you are talking about, let me ask you something in all seriousness:

At the close of the polls (7 weeks ago), part of the election day process is to take the machines apart one by one, and members of BOTH parties verify that there are no ballots at all stuffed anywhere in or around the machines - including in the side pockets, underneath them inside them. Every nook and cranny is checked and verified.

7 weeks ago, those ballots were not there. Period.

Deal with it.


29 posted on 12/16/2004 12:11:47 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Politicalities

I couldn't disagree with you more. PROTOCOL was not followed. Protocol ensures FAIR elections. There is a chance that these ballots are fake. There is reasonable doubt that these ballots are genuine. Hence , they should be discounted. That is what election rules and protocols are for. To make sure that every vote is a fair and accurate vot. You can not say this about these magically appearing votes. Maybe they are genuine and maybe they are not. Therefore they should be thrown out to protect those votes that are proven to be genuine.


31 posted on 12/16/2004 12:12:06 PM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: Politicalities

I take it you keep a tube of KY handy for the reamings the scurrilous dem's hand out in every close election?...makes it easier to take it guess.

I'm practically speechless that the republicans are actually going to challenge this fraud.


39 posted on 12/16/2004 12:15:35 PM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: Politicalities
funny isn't it that these ballots just happen to appear at a time when the Rats KNOW how many votes they need, and SHAZAMMM....they come from strong RAt areas....

any ballots from Spokane County?....or Ferry?...or Stevens?

this is war...the RAts have a long history of stealing elections IMO ....

sometimes you have to stop swallowing the company line and take a stand...

all I know is that Scott Peterson sits on death row with nary a drop of solid DNA evidence, no videos, no confession, no witnesses and yet smart people knew what they knew about what he did....

40 posted on 12/16/2004 12:16:29 PM PST by cherry
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To: Politicalities
If it is impossible to show the chain of possession of those ballots "found" in the ballot machines, then there is no way to prove they weren't put there at a later time.

Regardless, the only way possible for those ballots to be missed in the machines is for someone to not have done their job. When the ballots are removed from the machines, it is done by at least two people, often with a third observer. The machine is dismantled and inspected to make sure all ballots are removed from it. The two people who are responsible for this task sign off that they have verified that all ballots are removed from the machine. Each machine has an individual number and those people sign off that they have done the job correctly and completely.

If some ballots are now "found" in a machine, there are at least two people who should lose their jobs and/or face criminal sanctions.

54 posted on 12/16/2004 12:26:40 PM PST by SW6906
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To: Politicalities
I don't want Rossi sitting in the governor's mansion if Gregoire got more votes. There are more important things than winning.

Don't you mean "... if Gregoire got more valid votes." In short ... we have every reason to doubt that these ballots are valid. Do I have proof? I don't ... but I know Democrats. They will do anything to win ... including cheat.
57 posted on 12/16/2004 12:27:53 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: Politicalities
Politicalities, I disagree with your logic. There may not be proof that fraud was committed but the ballots themselves are evidence that correct procedures were not followed whether accidental or not.

If an election worker accidently takes home a stack of ballots and then returns them untouched, should they be valid? I don't care how much evidence there is that they were sealed and untouched. For the integrity of the process they should be discarded. Some mistakes shouldn't be fixed. There is no proof that the 22 ballots found in the machine base were there on election day. As for the 573 ballots, as long as there is a complete verified chain of custody and it is proven that the ballots are valid, then they should count. It is interesting that the papers never quote any republican poll workers/counters that are vouching for the ballots.

Assuming the story about the uncounted absentees is true (and I've seen no evidence it's not), those ballots should be counted.

I disagree with your statement. I would write it like this: Until the story about the uncounted ballots can be proven or sufficiently verified (and I have seen no evidence that they have), those ballots should not be counted. All disputed or "found" ballots should not be counted until proven valid instead of counting all ballots until proven invalid.

66 posted on 12/16/2004 12:36:30 PM PST by Rad_J
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To: Politicalities; Chad Fairbanks

<< BS. They were placed there and made to look as if they've been sitting unsecured at various polling places since the election.

Were they? Wow! Amazing!

I have a question, though. If you have evidence implicating election officials in this incredibly felonious act, why haven't you come forward with it? >>

What's this?

A half-smart [Came half-armed to a battle of wits] johnny-come-lately DNC troll?

Ever heard of Modus Operandi, Troll?

"You, "DemocRATS" have been stealing elections for a century -- and Chad and I've been watching.


112 posted on 12/16/2004 1:11:44 PM PST by Brian Allen (89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89-89)
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To: Politicalities

You don't find it slightly suspicious that ONLY heavily-Democratic King County keeps "finding" ballots. Not once or twice, but SEVEN times since the recounts started. Are we just supposed to take their word for it and let them keep "finding" ballots until they "find" just enough to beat Rossi?!

Just for arguments sake... what would the Democrats be saying if Gregoire was winning, but a heavily-Repub county kept "finding" ballots - SEVEN times. The Dems would be screaming bloody murder.


133 posted on 12/16/2004 1:57:26 PM PST by fr11
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To: Politicalities
"I have a question, though. If you have evidence implicating election officials in this incredibly felonious act, why haven't you come forward with it?"

Wrong question.

Real question is for you and your DUmmy pals and the RAT vote thieves in King County to PROVE that these "new" votes were not placed thereafter the elections, and made to look as if they've been sitting unsecured at various polling.

You manufactured those "new" votes, you prove that they are genuine votes.
Its that simple.
181 posted on 12/16/2004 3:34:31 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Politicalities

I see the state stuck with hundreds of court cases starting in January. The cost for the state to wrap up this mess...will be in the tens of millions.


240 posted on 12/17/2004 8:49:45 AM PST by pepsionice
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