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There's some romanticizing and historical blindness going on here. The actual druids engaged in human sacrifice, including sticking people inside wicker figures of animals and burning them alive. The desiccated ancient bodies periodically found in peat bogs are probably druid sacrifices.
1 posted on 12/16/2004 11:04:00 AM PST by quidnunc
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Just what we need, another organization out there that hates Christians. Well, it has been foretold. It is either the internet or the times, but I have been reading a lot more things like this lately.


2 posted on 12/16/2004 11:07:53 AM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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Being a pagan is about being free from institutional rules. And the gods? Once you start seeking they choose you, really.

They choose you? Sounds like a metaphysical version of picking up a hooker...

4 posted on 12/16/2004 11:11:38 AM PST by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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We are already being forced to celebrate like pagans. Christians celebrate CHRISTMAS in December because it was the time of a pagan "winter" holiday (vernal equinox, I believe). We are now forced to celebrate "winter holiday",
"winter festival", "winter concert", etc. as CHRISTMAS is being destroyed.


5 posted on 12/16/2004 11:11:39 AM PST by KeyesPlease
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Something new,(I realize its as old as dirt) interesting, different and gives one power over others. Just the thing for gullible people, especially teens to trip over and become involved in.


9 posted on 12/16/2004 11:18:33 AM PST by winodog (We need to water the liberty tree)
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The last 2,000 years of history, as explained by Steve, is a heart-wrenching tale of innocent occult revivals squashed by ignorant, scaredy-cat Christians... and cries of ‘Burn the witch!’

Well, we did do the nose.

10 posted on 12/16/2004 11:18:56 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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The last 2,000 years of history is a heart-wrenching tale of innocent occult revivals squashed by ignorant Christians

Just maybe, just maybe they weren't so ignorant...

14 posted on 12/16/2004 11:22:39 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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"We Are All Pagans Now"

We are! Oh crap! Where'd I put that lambs blood?


15 posted on 12/16/2004 11:22:40 AM PST by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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Most modern pagans don't trace their spiritual ancestry to any kind of druids, and none trace it to the kind who engaged in human sacrifices. Remember, there were also well-established Christian groups which burned "witches" at the stake, and went around slaughtering people who refused to convert Christianity, and imprisoning people differed with them on narrow theological points. That's hardly representative of what modern Christians believe in, and not a reason to accuse modern Christians of "romanticizing and historical blindness" when they say they their faith is focused on living in accordance with the will of a loving God.


18 posted on 12/16/2004 11:25:12 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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"Inside, it was even murkier: wood-panelled corridors stretched off into the gloom, men in grey suits were wedged together, smoking Bensons and drinking bitter."

What, you can still smoke in bars in England? I'm envious. The local nico-nazies here in Ontario, Canada (the provincial Liberal govt) want to completely ban smoking in bars and restaurants, not even allowing seperate ventilated smoking rooms. They've even been so bold as to admit that it has nothing to do with second hand smoke to patrons or employees - they just don't think a person should be able to enjoy a smoke with their beer, lest they enjoy it. Now that they've made it clear that it's all about making smokers miserable so as to get them to quit, why don't they have the guts to stand behind their convictions and just ban tobacco altogether.

Sorry, I guess that rant was a little off-topic, but even the Brits haven't done this yet.


22 posted on 12/16/2004 11:30:07 AM PST by -YYZ-
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There you go again with your facts, facts, facts, quiddy!

If it wasn't for 'romanticizing and historical blindness' the so-called 'progressive forces' wouldn't have anything to work with at all!

Leave them their horoscopes and crystals - only if socialism triumphs will we have to worry about human sacrifices, cannibalism, etc.

Lawyers and judges are more dangerous to our future than warlocks and witches, imho.


24 posted on 12/16/2004 11:30:51 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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This just reminds me of the King of the Hill episode where Bobby hung out with the "witches" in his town.

BOBBY: This looks like something out of Harry Potter.
WARD RACKLEY: Dude, I just vouched for you.
BOBBY: Uh... if Harry Potter went to hell.


31 posted on 12/16/2004 11:44:01 AM PST by retrokitten (Merry Christmas to all my FReeper friends!)
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Bump for later reading.


38 posted on 12/16/2004 12:00:54 PM PST by uglybiker (In GOD We Trust. All others pay cash)
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To: quidnunc

I would refer you to the Inquisition and the Salem Witch trials. Sounds like sacrifice to me.


41 posted on 12/16/2004 12:08:31 PM PST by dljordan
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Been pagan/buddhist/hindu/agnostic during all my searchings for the path to walk.

As we say, been there, done that...

I came to Jesus as I was,
weary and worn and sad,
found in him my resting place
and he has made me glad.

Why worship the earth mother when God is creator of the universe?

Why worship the sun when God is the master of the Sun?

Why worship the stars when he predates time itself?

Why worship projections of yourself when you too will die?

God is the living fire that tranforms us into his own children,

God is the bread of life,
who comes to us to feed us with his own self,

God was willing to empty himeself, experience life as a human, and then give that life back, arms outstretched in a loving embrace,
becoming the interface between heaven and earth,
to draw all who would listen to himself
to a life richer and fuller
than any pagan walk.

Why go there?

Sad to say, England's experience is what happens to a church where the clergy doesn't really believe.


The romantic stories neo-pagans tell themselves make as much sense as the Gospel tales when stripped of their historicity, so choose your particular myth.

But God is not myth, Jesus is not myth, and the empty tomb is not a fairy tale. A particular moment in time, God touched us. And I can stand upon that rock in full security that life isn't meaningless.


47 posted on 12/16/2004 12:13:23 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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Stonehenge, where the demons dwell

Where the banshees live and they do live well

Stonehenge

Where a man is a man and the children dance to

the pipes of pan

Stonehenge

Tis a magic place where the moon doth rise

With a dragon's face

Stonehenge

Where the virgins lie

And the prayer of devils fill the midnight sky

And you my love, won't you take my hand

We'll go back in time to that mystic land

Where the dew drops cry and the cats meow

I will take you there

I will show you how

Tufnel & St. Hubbins c. 1984

50 posted on 12/16/2004 12:15:07 PM PST by Disambiguator
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Re: "The actual druids engaged in human sacrifice, including sticking people inside wicker figures of animals and burning them alive. The desiccated ancient bodies periodically found in peat bogs are probably druid sacrifices."

Not that there is anything wrong with that. //sarcasm off//

It is getting scary out there. I recommend Christians migrate here and help us battle the ACLU.
53 posted on 12/16/2004 12:16:56 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: quidnunc

God made pagans, and gave them their beliefs, just like He did with everyone else and their beliefs.


57 posted on 12/16/2004 12:21:11 PM PST by stuartcr
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"Pagans, I discovered during our second pint, are also united by their sense of the injustices done them by Christians. The last 2,000 years of history is a heart-wrenching tale of innocent occult revivals squashed by ignorant Christians … "

Interesting. Pagans claim occultists are innocent, and Christians ignorant.

Many Christians today received their outward form of Christian beliefs and practices from a long line of denominations which were among the most persecuted by "Christians" back when the Roman Church taught conversion by coercion.

These modern Pagans have not suffered anything at the hand of Christians, yet they hate Christianity. Their hatred makes them more like the false Christians for which they supposedly have such contempt.

The religions of the day that promote their ideology by coercion are Islam and Liberalism.

These Pagans seem to have more in common with those groups which also happen to hate Christians.
100 posted on 12/16/2004 1:00:30 PM PST by unlearner
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modern paganism, one of the fastest-growing religions in Britain.

Not if the Muslims have anything to say about it.

106 posted on 12/16/2004 1:12:32 PM PST by Alouette (9 kids, 0 abortions, no kidding)
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Paganism always appeals to those who don't want to be nailed down by the laws of God.

127 posted on 12/16/2004 1:46:26 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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