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Christmas Is For Everyone, Even Christians
CFP ^ | December 15, 2004 | Paul Albers

Posted on 12/15/2004 7:02:32 AM PST by MikeEdwards

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To: MineralMan

> Why would I not wish people to enjoy the holiday they celebrate?

Depends on the holiday. "Smack A Cat Day" is a holiday I'd just as soon the adherants to AntiCatism failed to enjoy.


21 posted on 12/15/2004 7:31:52 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Blzbba

Yeah, they don't care about religion to the point that many companies are VERBOTEN from expressing the "Christian" term of "Merry Christmas" for fear of offending the odd 4% of the country that supposedly doesn't celebrate it.


22 posted on 12/15/2004 7:33:28 AM PST by Sam's Army (Never trust anyone that still wears an 80's surfer cut)
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To: Blzbba

"Dept. stores are all about making money in this peak season and could not care less about religion.
"

Well, that's certainly true. Some, if not most, have some sort of Christmas references. Some don't. It doesn't really matter to me, because my celebration is a secular one at this time of year. My wife is a Christian, and so we have a couple of creches in the house and an angel at the top of the tree.

I'm not offended, and she's not offended by my atheism. We love each other. I see no problem.


23 posted on 12/15/2004 7:34:03 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Sam's Army

"Yeah, they don't care about religion to the point that many companies are VERBOTEN from expressing the "Christian" term of "Merry Christmas" for fear of offending the odd 4% of the country that supposedly doesn't celebrate it."

Which companies? So far, I've seen reference to Macy's. Oddly, if you go to www.macys.com, you'll find a Christmas greeting right on their web site. Same with the Federated Department Store's site.

I'd like to see a list of these companies that forbid Christmas, so I can check it out.


24 posted on 12/15/2004 7:35:40 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Blzbba

> Dept. stores are all about making money in this peak season and could not care less about religion.

Indeed. Corporations are in the business of making money. However, naked greed is often a way to *lose* money. Look at the various Christmas threads here on FR... many abouts are annoyed *as* *is* that the holiday is so commercial. Imagine their annoyance if WalMart put on a "What Would Jesus Buy" sale, or a "Shopping at Target Makes Baby Jesus Cry" sale.

Consequently, "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" or whatever, gets the same commercial message across, but without the blatant appeal to many people's deeply held religious beliefs to make a buck.


25 posted on 12/15/2004 7:35:54 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: MineralMan
Oh, come on. You're gonna claim mass hysteria now???
26 posted on 12/15/2004 7:37:24 AM PST by Sam's Army (Never trust anyone that still wears an 80's surfer cut)
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To: MineralMan
If they're Christians, why should they not wish people a "Merry Christmas."

They should wish other Christians that greeting, but why you? Why on earth would I wish you to have a nice celebration of everything you do not believe in?

"Have a happy day for a fraud savior that doesn't save and a God who doesn't exist".

That makes no sense. How about this, Have a nice labor day, or Sweetest day, or Groundhog day? After all, those are your days,,,I guess.

Or, have a nice Dec. 25th,,,,and 26th,,,and 27th,,,,and,,,,,

27 posted on 12/15/2004 7:38:19 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Sam's Army

"Oh, come on. You're gonna claim mass hysteria now???"

Not at all. I wrote in this thread about my trip to the mall, where I saw all sorts of references to Christmas. I'd just like to see a list of all these stores that forbid the mention of Christmas.

I've already pointed out that Macy's and it's parent company have Merry Christmas messages right on their home pages, so they're right out of the list.

Walmart doesn't, though, and neither does Sears. They seem to be ignoring Christmas on their web site. I'd like to see a list, so I can investigate for myself. So far, no such list has appeared.


28 posted on 12/15/2004 7:40:21 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

Looks like you've already done some homework there since you know about Sears, WalMart, etc. Keep up the good work.


29 posted on 12/15/2004 7:43:20 AM PST by Sam's Army (Never trust anyone that still wears an 80's surfer cut)
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To: Protagoras

"They should wish other Christians that greeting, but why you? Why on earth would I wish you to have a nice celebration of everything you do not believe in? "

You needn't wish me a "Merry Christmas." If you do, though, I'll wish you one. If you saw me on the street, or in a store, you wouldn't know that I'm an atheist, so you might just wish me a "Merry Christmas." I'll return the greeting, because I sincerely hope that you have a Merry Christmas.

If you wish me a Happy Hannukah, I'll assume you're Jewish, and return that greeting as well, since I would hope that you have a Happy Hannukah.

I won't tell you that I'm an atheist unless you ask me about my beliefs. What would be the point of that?

Have a Merry Christmas!


30 posted on 12/15/2004 7:43:22 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Protagoras

"How about this, Have a nice labor day, or Sweetest day, or Groundhog day? After all, those are your days,,,I guess.
"

You could say those things, and I hope you'll enjoy those holidays, too. Happy Columbus Day! Who cares? I enjoy all holidays, and hope everyone else does, too.

On Veterans Day, I attend an event that honors veterans. It's not a "happy" day. It's a solemn remembrance of those who died in the service of their nation.

Christmas is celebrated by Christians as a holy day. I wish all Christians a good Christmas.


31 posted on 12/15/2004 7:46:38 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
You needn't wish me a "Merry Christmas."

I have no intention of doing so, I already explained how stupid that is.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Thank you.

And I wish you a good life. I feel so badly for you people. It's not your fault. It must be so sad to think that this pathetic place is all there is and it all happened by accident. Such an empty feeling.

32 posted on 12/15/2004 7:55:55 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: All; Sam's Army; MikeEdwards; Jay777

I wear a small pin that says: "Merry Christmas, Believe it. Say it." from the Alliance Defense Fund (group that fights the ACLU frivolous lawsuits about religious expression and displays).


It's okay to say Merry Christmas! Get your Christmas pin here:

"Merry Christmas. Believe It. Say It. Wear it!"

33 posted on 12/15/2004 7:58:08 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: MineralMan
Here's a different thread, maybe a day you can celebrate

TRANSGENDER, BISEXUAL, GAY AND LESBIAN AWARENESS DAY

Have a nice one!

34 posted on 12/15/2004 7:59:09 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Protagoras

"Here's a different thread, maybe a day you can celebrate
TRANSGENDER, BISEXUAL, GAY AND LESBIAN AWARENESS DAY

Have a nice one!"

Well, I'm none of those things, so that wouldn't be a day I'd celebrate. How sad that you can't recognize those of faiths other than yours without some sort of slur.


35 posted on 12/15/2004 8:01:21 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

What slur?


36 posted on 12/15/2004 8:03:57 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: MineralMan
How sad that you can't recognize those of faiths other than yours without some sort of slur.

What was your "faith" again? Is that an admission that atheism is a religion?

Again, what slur? Please don't accuse people without specific information.

37 posted on 12/15/2004 8:10:00 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: MineralMan
Well, I'm none of those things, so that wouldn't be a day I'd celebrate.

That's an odd thing to say. You aren't a Christian but you celebrate Christmas.

38 posted on 12/15/2004 8:15:54 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: MineralMan

Your unbelief is a self evident proof--every time you post
it is clear you do not believe in anyhting beyond yourself.
May Christ soften your heart--and open your eyes-but you
are without excuse (ROmans chapter 1) for your self imposed
blindness.


39 posted on 12/15/2004 8:36:47 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: MikeEdwards

In the post office: "Holiday Ornament Stamps". On what holiday other than Christmas do we use Christmas-looking ornaments? Hmm...let me think...


40 posted on 12/15/2004 8:43:45 AM PST by AmericanChef
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