Warning: The Hydrogen Economy May Be More Distant Than It Appears

Popular Science ^ | 12/15/04 | Michael Behar

[from occupied ga]

Don't know much of anything about hydrogen but I'm darned well sure that something useful will come out of the research.

You have two things in common with the researchers then. Excpet they know the only useful thing to come from it is their salaries.

[Hostage]

What a complete *ss you are. Look at MKTY on the NASDAQ now!!!! They are in production!!!!!

If I could strip you of your FR membership I would. You're an embarassment.

Now get fired up and come after me. I'm going to teach you a lesson lightweight.

[FastCoyote]

Bwahahaha, great article. I'm a mechanical engineer and have been telling people bits and pieces of this for a long time, but no one believed me. I don't think the article mentioned hydrogen embrittlement of steel pipes, another problem.


"hydrogen added to the atmosphere will combine with oxygen to form water vapor, creating noctilucent clouds—those high, wispy tendrils you see at dawn and dusk. The increased cloud cover could accelerate global warming. "

More CO2 from hydrocarbons broken into H2, and this as well. Oh sunny day.

[adam_az]

"This article is an article for fusion research. Set the fusion reactor on a floating platform in the ocean. Use the electric power to separate the hydrogen and oxygen from the ocean's water. You get H2 plus other byproducts."

Heck, why not use dilithium crystals?

[Hostage]

H2 embrittlement is an old old old story and it is true.

Now look at light hydrocarbon stripping in a reformer and get up to speed. You're 10 years behind the curve goddammit!

[from occupied ga]

Now get fired up and come after me. I'm going to teach you a lesson lightweight.

To teach me a lesson, you'd need to have some sort of knowledge and intelligence. Your post indicates you have a severe deficiency in these.

[Admin Moderator]

Watch the language.

[Dan Evans]

Are you drunk? Knock it off!

[Hostage]

Got it.

[Hostage]

No, the posts by others on this thread show a dearth of current knowledge. I hold a PhD from one of the top three universities in my field of science.

There is a repetoire of old knowledge that has been rendered ... well 'old' by developments over the last 5 years. This includes H2 embrittlement, economy of electrolysis, nuclear options, infrastruture concerns, explosivity and so on. These are all old news. They are a set of problems leftover from the past.

Here's a link of basics for understanding the here and now:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-processor.htm

A teenager could read that link.

Next, look at MKTY on Yahoo financials and read about their company. Look at the yahoo message board for MKTY. Go to their website. They are now in production.

And lastly please do not post here until you have done those things. You would just be exercising a flame for no good use. I will accept apologies. The flame was started by Publius who apparently believes any proponent of alternative fuels is a 'whackjob'.

[TexasCowboy]

Son, you need to back away from your computer and take a chill pill.

This is a discussion, not an inquisition.

[from occupied ga]

I hold a PhD from one of the top three universities in my field of science.

So do I, but apparently you didn't have to study the first and second laws of thermodynamics for yours. When you've read up on these you may be able to contribute something to the discussion, but from your posts so far I doubt it. In your own words, And lastly please do not post here until you have done those things.

I will accept apologies

You call me an ass and you will accept apologies? You can stuff your arrogant ignorant head where the sun don't shine.

[WildTurkey]

"As long as electricity from nuclear power costs more than electricity from other sources, using that energy to make hydrogen doesn’t add up."

This person is only slightly ignorant on the costs of electricity production by nuclear power.

[RightWhale]

Nearly 4 years in on the ten year hydrogen plan, and not a hydrogen gas pump or vehicle in sight. Is anything happening with this energy currency idea?

[FastCoyote]

"Now look at light hydrocarbon stripping in a reformer and get up to speed. You're 10 years behind the curve goddammit!"

I'll take a look at your links, and I follow the new advances when I get a chance. Got nothing against hydrogen or solar, wrote a whole book about Yucca Mountain, I love my gas guzzler 67 Camaro. In short, I'm an energy kind of guy, but I just don't think H2 energy problems are easily solvable FOR WIDESPREAD USE no matter how much you transform it.

[WildTurkey]

Not really. "Light" hybrids are expensive and inefficient.

Tests show that light hybrids are cheaper to use in urban driving than straight gasoline cars.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

MTI Micro Receives Certification Agency Approval For Shipment of Methanol Fuel Cartridges

 FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 05, 2004 7:39 AM
 - PR Newswire

ALBANY, N.Y., Nov 5, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- MTI MicroFuel Cells Inc. (MTI Micro), the developer of award winning Mobion(TM) cord-free rechargeable portable power technology suitable for handheld electronic devices and a subsidiary of Mechanical Technology Incorporated (MKTY) , announced today that it has received United Nations (UN) Packaging Certification and is now in United States Department of Transportation (DOT) Compliance for shipment of its methanol fuel cartridges, supporting its initial product launch planned by year-end. With this UN and DOT recognition in place, authorized shippers can now conveniently transport MTI Micro's fuel refills by ground, sea and air, both domestically and internationally.

"MTI has emerged as a leader in the development of safe and reliable methanol fuel cartridges and packaging," said John Lynn, President and CEO of the Methanol Institute, the global trade association for the methanol industry. "This is a significant achievement in the acceptance of methanol shipments, and will hasten the eventual widespread market adoption of micro fuel cell technology."

"From the outset of our Company's formation, building and delivering products that meet or exceed customer expectations for performance and safety has been our goal," said Dr. William Acker, President and CEO of MTI Micro. "Agency certification for our fuel refills, in support of our initial Mobion power pack launch scheduled later this year, is a significant and necessary step on our path to deliver safe, highly functional portable power solutions for military, industrial and future consumer electronics markets."

About MTI MicroFuel Cells Inc.

MTI MicroFuel Cells Inc., a subsidiary of Mechanical Technology Incorporated, (MKTY) , is the developer of Mobion(TM), a patented direct methanol micro fuel cell technology. The Company has a world-class team of entrepreneurial business executives, researchers and scientists; a number of system prototypes demonstrating size reductions and performance improvements; significant related intellectual property; and has received government awards and developed strategic partnerships to help accelerate commercialization. More information is available at http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com

About The Methanol Institute

For more information regarding the Methanol Institute, please visit: http://www.methanol.org.

Statements in this press release which are not historical fact including statements regarding management's intentions, hopes, beliefs, expectations, representations, projections, plans or predictions of the future are forward- looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements include statements concerning our ability to deliver products that meet or exceed customer expectations for performance and safety, if at all, and our ability to deliver safe, highly functional portable power solutions for military, industrial and future consumer electronics markets. It is important to note that MTI Micro's actual performance and results may differ materially from those in any such forward- looking statements. Factors that could cause actual performance and results to differ materially include, among others, risks related to financing, uncertainties in development, manufacturing, competition and customer demand for DMFCs, and the risk factors listed from time to time in Mechanical Technology Incorporated's SEC reports including but not limited to, the Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2003 and Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q.

SOURCE MTI MicroFuel Cells Inc.

George Relan of MTI MicroFuel Cells Inc., 1-518-533-2220,
grelan@mechtech.com; Julie Lydon, +1-603-433-0086, jlydon@sparkpr.com, or Joe
Volat, +1-415-962-8200, ext. 248, joe@sparkpr.com, both of Sparkpr, for MTI
MicroFuel Cells Inc.

http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com

[eno_]

It exploded with enough force to move the walls of the test chamber. Pieces of tank and chamber were ejected at high velocity and penetrated several inches into foam boards. Stuff flew over 50 m from the blast.

French ATV prototype with 10,000psi hydrogen tank under the seat: http://www.autointell.net/Events/paris-2004/psa-paris-04/peugeot-quark-paris-2004.htm

Can't make this stuff up!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

ROFL!

[eno_]

Tests show that light hybrids are cheaper to use in urban driving than straight gasoline cars.

Sure, and because I can afford a Lexus RX330H, why not? I'm already vastly overpaying for getting form point A to point B. But if it raises the price of a Civic by $4000, it will never make back the added cost.