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Posted on 12/14/2004 1:52:47 PM PST by slowhand520

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To: k2blader
The "moderates" are the ones playing games with our nation and her people.

When the Republicans take a noticeable stand for things that will reduce socialism, I'll be a little more optimistic.

Hmm, then why do I see your side(prime directive issue immigration on FR) going ga-ga over hillary, over her obviously fake tough talk about immigration.

41 posted on 12/14/2004 2:39:05 PM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: Jeff Blogworthy

I don't think you know what federalism means. It is the version of limited government envisioned by the founders of the constitution. The problem isn't that we are tilting toward federalism, but away from it.


42 posted on 12/14/2004 2:42:19 PM PST by SnakeGuy
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To: slowhand520

Good news, but let us not forget that there are a lot of RINO's that we put in office. We haven't left the GOP, but at times it leaves us. Nevertheless, I still believe in the party of Lincoln and hopefully it will come back to it's center. As for the RATS, they continue to waller in the quick sand..........


43 posted on 12/14/2004 2:44:06 PM PST by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: Jeff Blogworthy

"Would that it were true. It seems to me that the country has been tilting more and more towards Federalism and away from individual autonomy and community rule since its inception. The Judiciary is practically running the country by fiat and the Constitution has been dumbed down to irrelevancy. I am not confident we are winning at all.

Meanwhile, half of today's Republicans don't believe in the concept of limited government."

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I'm with you but rarely is there any significant movement in any direction at that level of purity. Ask the DU'ers if they're anywhere near the level of socialist purity THEY'D like to see. Right about now I'd say they definitely think they're losing.

Politics is the art of the possible. The dependence on government largesse and legislation from the bench is insidious and will take at least a century to cure (hence the tendency toward Democrat Lite on the part of too many Republicans). For one thing, we need to start teaching economics on a pretty serious level at a very early age.

We should start with a course called the Facts of Life, in which students learn that:

a) the world doesn't owe you a @#$% thing just for existing -- you will EARN your way to whatever you want, and even when you do, do not expect to be always treated fairly;

b) screaming obscenities or tagging walls or running around the room are NOT just other means of expression -- they are activities ranging from simply rude behavior to vandalism, and there WILL BE CONSEQUENCES...

c) nobody in the working world gives a rat's rear-o about your self-esteem, so within certain broad limits, neither do we;

d) contrary to popular opinion it is NOT true that anything short of a pain-free life is proof of oppression or conspiracy;

e) if you borrow money, you HAVE to pay it back. There is no not paying it back if you are a man or woman of honor and respectability, so think BEFORE you borrow and always shop around for a better deal first.

f) unless you can offer overwhelming clinical evidence that you are truly mentally ill or incapacitated (in which case someone will have to offer it for you), YOU and ONLY YOU -- NOT YOUR BACKGROUND OR GENETICS -- are responsible for your behavior. You are not an animal; you are a human with a built-in manual over-ride switch labeled "No."


44 posted on 12/14/2004 2:48:13 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: WyCoKsRepublican
I still believe in the party of Lincoln...

Some would argue that Lincoln was how this non-conservative Republican movement got started. See, Lincoln had this BIG problem with States Rights...

45 posted on 12/14/2004 2:48:34 PM PST by Beemnseven
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To: k2blader

This January will tell us a lot about what the Republican Majority in the Congress will do, What the President will Do and the appointment of the Supreme Court Nominees.

So far, with the Homeland Security Act that just passed being an indicator, we are not going to get as much as we thought we would..... again. How the Immigration problem is handled, the deportation of Illegal Aliens. The ACLU problem, Activist Judges being removed, Abortion, Same Sex Marriage. The Socialist Agenda must be turned back!! We Americans DO NOT WANT SOCIALISM. Neither party seems to hear us.

I have posted this before, but here goes again.Both Parties keep a close track of their Base and the number of voters in that base. If there is a movement of voters from the registered voters of the Party they want to know why and where they are going.

I know this because I have worked for the Republican Party. So if they are not going to begin rolling back the Socialist Crap that the Dimms put in Place, removing the judges and start cleaning house, we need to re register as another Politcal Party. You can still vote how ever you want to vote, but the base has moved from the party. Believe me, when they start seeing their base leave! They will be coming home to find out why, holding meetings and sending out flyers trying to find out what is going on.

Then when we have their EAR >>> Finally, we can tell them to get on the Stick and start doing what we elected them for!! Protecting our Borders, Sound and sensable Immigration Policy that makes US Citizenship worth working for and to apply LEGALLY!! Removing the Activist Judges, Stopping Abortions etc. When the BASE starts to leave in Droves they will start to feel it immediately and change their tune just as fast!

We need people with common sense, Pro American and Pro Constitution and Pro God!
The Dimms and the Republicans JUST WILL NOT HEAR the AMERICAN People, we have no place else to go for representation in Congress: Let's see, elections 2006,

Constitutional Party,
http://www.constitutionparty.com/

America First Party,
http://www.americafirstparty.org/

Independant American Party
http://www.usiap.org/

The American Party
http://www.theamericanparty.org/


46 posted on 12/14/2004 2:48:58 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: Beemnseven
Some would argue that Lincoln was how this non-conservative Republican movement got started. See, Lincoln had this BIG problem with States Rights...

Oh, really? You need to take another look at The Compromise of 1850. This was pushed by those who would later argue strongly in favor of states rights. If that compromise wasn't a federal power grab, I don't know what is.


47 posted on 12/14/2004 2:53:49 PM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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To: 26lemoncharlie
This January will tell us a lot about what the Republican Majority in the Congress will do, What the President will Do and the appointment of the Supreme Court Nominees.

So far, with the Homeland Security Act that just passed being an indicator, we are not going to get as much as we thought we would..... again. How the Immigration problem is handled, the deportation of Illegal Aliens

Now Charlie, if you could expound on how Nancy Pelosi being Speaker of the House, would further your goals.

I'm all ears, Charlie, but I'm afraid all I will hear is crickets, about my above question, from you.

48 posted on 12/14/2004 2:54:28 PM PST by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: 26lemoncharlie
Of those parties you listed, I choose "none of the above."


49 posted on 12/14/2004 2:55:00 PM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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To: slowhand520

tilt or outright shift?

How many of those are just lifelong democrats who have no hesitation voting for bush are just clinging to the "D" out of memory of the party's past?


50 posted on 12/14/2004 2:57:04 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Re#4 Yep. Also, look at the polls on "trust" and journalists. Hehehehe....


51 posted on 12/14/2004 2:59:09 PM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: slowhand520

Tilt away!


52 posted on 12/14/2004 2:59:38 PM PST by katdawg
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To: ex-rushie

Re#10 Perchance to dream. The grifting former first lady and the Sink Emperor were pros in graft and corruption. I wouldn't hold my breath. As to their true legacy and public perception, the old media has lost its hold and it will be known by more and more...


53 posted on 12/14/2004 3:01:38 PM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Charles Henrickson
During the Clinton years, the bulge was . . . in Clinton's pants.

The prior statement pretty much explains that:

"Democrats have long held more party members than Republicans."

54 posted on 12/14/2004 3:03:03 PM PST by mikrofon (There ya go)
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To: GunnyHartman
"The only way to fix this dilemma is to appoint Howard Dean as the head of the DNC."

LOL. Actually, that may happen by necessity. MoveOn.org has staked its claim to the Rat party and methinks the far left ain't going away soon. Hehehehe.....

55 posted on 12/14/2004 3:03:24 PM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Beemnseven

Some would argue that Lincoln was how this non-conservative Republican movement got started. See, Lincoln had this BIG problem with States Rights...

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Some are confusing opposition to slavery with opposition to state's rights. The Founders did not intend for EVERYTHING to be determined as each individual state saw fit, hence the bill of rights. 3/5ths clause and their own ownership of slaves notwithstanding, I seriously doubt slavery was something the Founders ultimately wanted left up to the states.


56 posted on 12/14/2004 3:05:07 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: rdb3; Dane

I am a Card Carrying Republican! Can't even stand to look at Pelosi!! I am open for suggestions, pick apart and critize my suggestion Please. What are your suggestions to get these very important points passed into law. I would like to just appeal to the Conservative Majority in the Congress and feel confident that they would act to protect the Borders and pass sensible Immigration Laws. Why is it that we do not feel confident that the Congress will do what is necessary. Your suggestions please!


57 posted on 12/14/2004 3:11:25 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: slowhand520; Charles Henrickson

I think we're going GOP, I think we're going GOP, I really think so...


58 posted on 12/14/2004 3:13:57 PM PST by mikrofon (Yatta Boy!)
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To: Zhangliqun
Lincoln decimated states rights. We never got back to where we were before Lincoln. You can make the argument that it was the lessor of two evils. Meaning a stronger federal government was better than splitting into two countries, but to say Lincoln didn't ride roughshod over federalism is either ignorant or lacking intellectual honesty.
59 posted on 12/14/2004 3:14:05 PM PST by SnakeGuy
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To: SnakeGuy
Meaning a stronger federal government was better than splitting into two countries, but to say Lincoln didn't ride roughshod over federalism is either ignorant or lacking intellectual honesty.

Read The Compromise of 1850, please. Tell me that that "didn't ride roughshod over federalism."

Lincoln wasn't the President then, was he?


60 posted on 12/14/2004 3:22:24 PM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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