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To: Right in Wisconsin
I guess I'm ignorant and a liar.

And here you've been trashing me for weeks because I've been saying what you admit right now.

And no, microevolution is a separate concept from macroevolution.

What prevents a series of "microevolution" changes from becoming "macroevolution"?

You need the first four evolution theories to occur before you can have the evolution theory you believe in, otherwise it won't work. They are tantamount to the TOE theory.

Wrong, and it's incredibly dishonest for you to refer to the first four as "evolution theories" when you have been told that they are not part of evolution.

For evolution to work, you need reproducing life forms and an environment in which they can exist. How those life forms and the environment ultimately came to exist is irrelevant to the theory of evolution. An omnipotent entity could have zap-poofed the earth and the first life forms into existence, and evolution could work from there. The theory of evolution is not predicated upon life originating through any specific method, it does not fall apart if our current understanding of stellar formation is falsified and it will not be disproven if it is shown that the Big Bang theory is wrong. Once you have life forms that can reproduce, you have evolution. Before those life forms exist, nothing at all matters with respect to the theory of evolution.
313 posted on 12/14/2004 1:03:57 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

I've not trashed you for weeks, be honest. I haven't been on this site very much in the last few weeks. But, I won't stoop to your level and call you a liar as I at least give a benefit of a doubt that you were generalizing for the purpose of making a point.

God prevents micro evolution turning into macro evolution. Kind into kind, not kind into differnt kind.

Just because "I was told" something does not mean its truth, nor does my belief in something that you don't believe in make me a liar. Geez, I've been told a lot of things but that doesn't make them true because I've been told. To be certain, my teenage son would relate well to your thinking.

How life forms came into existence is entirely relevant to me. Perhaps not to your belief in evolution or creation of life. But, I'm a young earth Creationist and believe the world is 6000 years old and created by God in six 24 hour periods. Therefore, evolution fails as it requires zillions of years to work. Moreover, I believe we were created in God's image and I don't believe God was a random mix of goo incapable of independent thought.

So I guess, my angry friend, we again come from two different understandings and will never reconcile our differences. What makes sense to me is inconceivable to you and what makes sense to you is inconceivable to me. Neither of us will know in our lifetimes who's right or who's wrong, so we are forced to argue, or find a common ground. May I suggest our common ground be that we both are persons of conviction?


379 posted on 12/14/2004 2:28:48 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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