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ACLU Files Suit in Pa. Over Evolution
FOX News ^

Posted on 12/14/2004 7:14:55 AM PST by wkdaysoff

HARRISBURG, Pa. — The state American Civil Liberties Union (search) plans to file a federal lawsuit Tuesday against a Pennsylvania school district that is requiring students to learn about alternatives to the theory of evolution (search).

The ACLU said its lawsuit will be the first to challenge whether public schools should teach "intelligent design," which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: aclu; crevolist; lawsuit; scienceeducation
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Evolution is a total lie scientifically because there is not the evidence to back it up. Hence it is a religion forced upon students. And religiously believed even by those that haven't studied Science. Yet because the bigger the lie is, and evolution is a BIG LIE, then the more people are apt to believe it, because they can't possibly believe you would dare to tell such a big lie unless it was the truth!..
1 posted on 12/14/2004 7:14:55 AM PST by wkdaysoff
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To: wkdaysoff

ACLU = dim bulbs


2 posted on 12/14/2004 7:17:06 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: wkdaysoff
"intelligent design," which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power...."

Whatever this (ID)is, it is not science.

Evolutionary theory has tons of (scientifically gathered) data to back it up.

3 posted on 12/14/2004 7:20:28 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder

Show me the tape.


4 posted on 12/14/2004 7:24:23 AM PST by Ford4000
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To: wkdaysoff
Someone ought to file suit over the existence of the ACLU.
5 posted on 12/14/2004 7:26:31 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, AIr Force, Pray for all our military in hostile territory.)
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To: wkdaysoff

Hold up... The ACLU is supporting a case that basically says that GOD created the Universe? Isn't that an Oxymoron? Or is that just Moronic?

If there was an act of creationisim, it came in the form of a rock from space with some form of RNA on it. Or was it the ACLU that did it? Must have been the ACLU, after all, they certainly SEE themselves as gods.

Sheesh.


6 posted on 12/14/2004 7:28:29 AM PST by Danae (Kill Terrorists. Negotiation is a waste of breath.)
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To: Rudder

If you want an idea of what it is, read Darwin's Black Box, by Michael Behe. Mr. Behe is a scientist, not a theologian.


7 posted on 12/14/2004 7:28:51 AM PST by almcbean
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To: Ford4000
This whole church-state debate is being miscast.

The degenerates at the American Civil Liberties Union will tell you they are trying to make sure government doesn't favor one religion over another when they hunt down Boy Scouts meeting on public property like they were war criminals.

Meanwhile, the other side in this debate makes a pathetic defense of the Scouts and other victims of his radical secular jihad.

This isn't a conflict over whose view of the First Amendment is correct. It's a conflict in which one side is doing exactly what it accuses the other side of doing – using the government to impose its religion and morality on others.

Let me tell you, there is no threat – no threat at all – that Christians or Jews will, any time soon, successfully impose their own divided faiths on anyone else with the help of the local, state or federal government. It just can't happen, not in the 21st-century, American socio-political climate.

And the ACLU knows this.

The ACLU is on offense, not defense.

The ACLU is not afraid of Christians. It knows they are easy, wimpy targets who don't fight back.

The ACLU doesn't really care about manger scenes, Ten Commandments monuments and other symbolic targets. Instead, they use these legal assaults to keep their enemies off-guard, on defense and from recognizing what the real agenda is.

What is the real agenda?

Well, I guess you could call it state-imposed, enforced, official atheism.

The ACLU and its allies actually don't mind their own belief system, their own "faith," their own religion being imposed through the government school systems. They don't mind that values and scientific theories in stark contrast to those of many Christians and Jews be endorsed by the state as holy writ. They don't mind that taxpayer treasuries are raided by judicial tyrants to support unconstitutional programs that violate the firmly held religious beliefs of tens of millions of Bible believers.

They don't mind any of these things. They love it. That's their goal. Their goal is to impose their will on the people through litigation and manipulation of a corrupt court system. They seek to strip the country and its people of all that made America great and different.

In short, they want to impose secular humanism as the official state religion – not only in Washington, not only in all 50 states, but in every local town in America.

What is secular humanism?

State-imposed atheism

8 posted on 12/14/2004 7:29:15 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: wkdaysoff
I forgot to mention, we need a strong movement to change the laws so that our tax dollars no longer go to pay the ACLU's legal fees. It is beyond ridiculous that WE are paying their bills. Make those idiots fund their own BS.
9 posted on 12/14/2004 7:30:22 AM PST by Danae (Kill Terrorists. Negotiation is a waste of breath.)
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To: Piquaboy

Exacty. What If I want to use my "Civil Liberty" not to believe in evolution? Just because they have nothing productive to do, they have decided to tear down the beliefs that this country was founded on.

Merry Christmas! --That's Right! I said it! Try and stop me!


10 posted on 12/14/2004 7:31:35 AM PST by ledfoot (Please don't take my identity-- It's not worth anything!)
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To: Ford4000

Please. Don't be one of those people that when I say "the sky is blue" you say "prove it".

If somebody shows you proof, people with your attitude say "it's junk science", or "they have an agenda".

Evolution happened. It doesn't have to shatter your faith.


11 posted on 12/14/2004 7:32:47 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: wkdaysoff

So What is the scienfitic theory of ID? Sure would like to see someone answer this someday. What does it predict? How can we test it? Is it falsifiable?


12 posted on 12/14/2004 7:33:04 AM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power....

I don't think they've framed that argument quite correctly.

It says that life on earth can be better explained as the work of an intelligent designer.

13 posted on 12/14/2004 7:33:10 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: ledfoot

Christmas, Christmas, Christmas, Christmas. I wish one of those types would come around my house and start telling me how I cannot say that.


14 posted on 12/14/2004 7:35:20 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, AIr Force, Pray for all our military in hostile territory.)
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To: Rudder
Evolutionary theory has tons of (scientifically gathered) data to back it up

HUH? But there are also a ton of "scientifically gathered data" to disprove evolution as well. For anyone out there that believes in evolution as a fact, could you please explain to me how evolution can get around the second law of thermodynamics? (It states that everything goes from a state of order to a state of disorder. Not the other way around).

Also, remember that a theory cannot be proved, nor disproved. If evolution were able to be proved then it would be Evolutionary Law and NOT Evolutionary Theory.
15 posted on 12/14/2004 7:37:16 AM PST by joldnir
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To: wkdaysoff
Evolution is a total lie scientifically because there is not the evidence to back it up. Hence it is a religion forced upon students. And religiously believed even by those that haven't studied Science. Yet because the bigger the lie is, and evolution is a BIG LIE, then the more people are apt to believe it, because they can't possibly believe you would dare to tell such a big lie unless it was the truth!..

The earth is flat, too.

16 posted on 12/14/2004 7:37:21 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: wkdaysoff
If this is not a sign that the ACLU is hell bent on the destruction of The Constitution of The United States of America, The Declaration of Independence, American culture, American values, American sovereignty, America itself and the American People, I don't know what is...

The ACLU are law-breakers. The ACLU is an insidious, agendatized, organized crime unit whose premeditated and deliberately calculated illegal attacks on our freedoms and liberties must end!
17 posted on 12/14/2004 7:39:38 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: Piquaboy

As if the ACLU is concerned about the private celebrations going on at your house.


18 posted on 12/14/2004 7:40:57 AM PST by dmz
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To: Danae
No,no,no: the Anti-Christianity Litigation Unit is trying to force Pennsylvania to go "evolution only", while PA apparently would like to explore alternatives to evolution since Darwinism is a theory and can't be proven.

Intelligent Design is the polar opposite of Darwinism. Since Darwinism effectively begins with the assumption that there is no "higher power", it has been all about trying to come up with a way in which all this life could have happened without divine intervention (since we're obviously all "here").

19 posted on 12/14/2004 7:41:31 AM PST by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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To: wkdaysoff
Darn, I hate being on the same side as the ACLU.

Nonetheless, they're right. ID is not a legitimate scientific theory; it's a poorly articulated and vague sentiment that 'Someone must have done it (nudge nudge, wink wink, we know who Someone is, notice I used upper case)'. It's nothing more than a Trojan Horse for creationism.

20 posted on 12/14/2004 7:41:59 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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