Posted on 12/12/2004 11:36:48 PM PST by JohnHuang2
It is exactly on the same level, and the fact that you can't see that is what makes "hate" crime such an orwellian concept, only one stage removed from 1984's thought crimes.
In both cases, one self-identified group of "us" (be it racial, social, or familial) decided to murder someone who they perceived as threatening their group. It doesn't matter if the murderers think they are protecting the "One True Religion", their "Racial Purity" or their "Right to Organize Labor", they are murderers of the same ilk.
After the murder of Van Goegh by the Muslims for his movie concerning the extreme treatment of Women, the Dutch People, namely the Conservative Dutch Political Party, the largest in the nation, was shut down. By who, The activist judges of course. The Judges stated that by demanding that muslims no longer be allowed to enter Holland, The Conservative Political Party was Racist and that thier demand was a Hate Crime!!
You cannot mandate that two people love each other but you can prohibit calls for vigilantism and incitement to violence (your free speech has limits just as you cannot yell FIRE in a crowded movie theater or urge the assassination of the President).
As an aside, it is much smarter of Holland NOT to outlaw Islam as that is the clear sign that all Imam agree triggers the way for a jihad (holy war) against a nation. One of Mohammed's nasty "built in" defense mechanisms (another being no reformation movement allowed, since Mohammed was the last prophet).
Shouldn't people be allowed to hit on other people without the fear of violence?
"He positioned Jesse on his stomach, placing pillows under him before penetrating his anus with various items, including three fingers of his hand, his penis, a cucumber, a sausage and a douche bottle. Brown told police he also prepared and administered an enema for the victim, using his own urine as a liquid."
Lord God in heaven, what a sick, perverted, piece of human filth. And they want to throw me in jail if I call them what they are?
Dead prostitutes are generally the work of serial killers (less common for a John to commit one murder, although assault may be more common).
Not when such an act is a perversion. Can someone proposition your wife for a sexual act?
After all, adultery is just sex. Or would you proceed to kick the snot out of someone who did this?
Would you feel at all violated if someone of the same sex approached you for a date in a men's room?
The converse of the other argument is not so easily dismissed. How often do rapists steal a purse or a "souvenir"?
Torture is a crime of sadism (which is what the 13 year old endured before his death).
It is also a component to rape (since sexual assault is violating someone without consent).
Nobody is going to throw you in jail for calling someone a "sick, perverted, piece of human filth."
It may be that robbery doest usually end in torture
OK, back to my original point. Robbery does not 'usually' or 'generally' end in torture. Robbery may well have been the motivation for this crime. Torture may or may not have happened.
This is crazy...
I'm sure my wife's been hit on while out with her friends. I'm not going to go find them and kill the perp.
After all, adultery is just sex. Or would you proceed to kick the snot out of someone who did this?
Nope. If some guy hit on my wife while I was there, I'd tell him to beat it. If he didn't I would have the bouncers toss him to the curb.
Would you feel at all violated if someone of the same sex approached you for a date in a men's room?
Nope. I'd tell them I wasn't interested.
Can you believe this? I should probably learn some sort of a lesson here...
Why would you tell an adulterer to "beat it" yet tell the homosexual in the washroom "you weren't interested"?
Why not tell the homosexual to "beat it" too?
Why not tell the bouncer to "kick him to the curb" as you would someone who came onto your wife? Heck, the homosexual in that instance would also be a prospective adulterer so it is only fair for your wife's sake.
Not everyone on this thread is miscontruing your post. Feel free to remain here.
That which God.....Hates!
That too, for which hell exists.
Your first post concluded that it was torture, not that it "may or may not have happened". That's the point, not some unrelated straw man argument that doesn't address McKinney's state of mind.
You seem to continually ignore that fact.
If someone in prison murders the homosexual who repeatedly sodomized and eventually killed this boy, should it be classified as a "hate crime"?
I oppose vigilantism but there are many on FR who (regardless of the sex of the victim) are all too quick to cheer on some prison justice for a child molestor. I stand with the jury system and think if the public wants the death penalty for the offense, they should be the ones making the decision, not someone inside the jail or in an alley way.
Dogmatic misinterpretation is not foreign to this site. You will find it quite often.
Torture is generally not a component of rape either. But it is far more common with that crime than with robbery.
Assault is not identical with torture.
Hey johnnycrap - it is people like you who want to believe that it is just the average joe who makes up the profile for homosexual pedophiles. Instead of screaming "perspective" how about screaming justice and pity for the children being murdered and raped. It is Homosexual men, by and large, that ARE the group responsible for molesting children, PERIOD! I dont make up the statistics it is what it is how about showing some sympothy and respect for the child who was brutalized instead of serving your self centered ego to show yourself as a supposed member of the diversity crowd.
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