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Posted on 12/11/2004 7:12:14 AM PST by doctora

Interesting point brought up by Rush yesterday. MoveOn.org, in thier email to members says, "In the last year, grass roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC."

Blatant and admitted breaking of 527 rules!!!

Full Transcript from Rush:

MoveOn.org, Kooks Dissent in the Democrat Ranks December 10, 2004

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Now, they're continuing to wander aimlessly out there in the desert. Have you heard-- (Laughing) Anytime, ladies and gentlemen, there is the slightest rift in the Republican Party, it's a banner headline at the New York Times. It's a banner headline in the Washington Post. It's a banner headline at USA Today. The cable networks run with it all day long and all night. It just never ends, and a "rift" in the Republican Party can be no more than a George Will column. A rift in the Republican Party can be no more than me criticizing George W. Bush, or the apparent snafus that developed over the recent intelligence bill. But when there are obvious dissensions in the rank in the Democratic Party you have to dig deep to find the news. Well, that's what we do here, my friends. We dig deep. "Liberal powerhouse MoveOn.org has a message for the professional election losers," quote-unquote, "who run the Democratic Party." Quote: "We bought it. We own it. We're going to take it back."

"A scathing e-mail from the head of MoveOn.org's political action committee to the group supporters on Thursday targets Terry McAuliffe as a tool of corporate donors who alienated both traditional and progressive Democrats. 'For years, the party has been led by elite Washington insiders who were closer to corporate lobbyists than they are in the Democratic base.'" This is an e-mail from the MoveOn.org's Eli Pariser: "We can't afford four more years of leadership by a consulting class of professional election losers. In the last year, grass roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC." Thereby admitting they broke the law. Do you realize 527's are to have no contact, no coordination, no funneling of funds back and forth? So the MoveOn.org guy has thrown down the gauntlet: We're taking back the party. What this is, folks? This is the kooks. The kooks of the party are saying, "It's ours. You professionals are blowing it sky high. You don't know how to win elections. All you know how to do is lose them. You're too tied to corporate lobbyists. We're taking our party back."

I mean, this is a huge. They have flipped the DNC a huge bird here. This is all-out warfare and I'll tell you, MoveOn is sort of like Howard Dean is to the Democratic Party hierarchy. They're screwed with him and they're screwed without him. You know the story we had yesterday about Dean heading up the DNC? Their biggest fear is that he'd get it. Their second biggest fear is that he wouldn't get it. Their biggest fear here now is that MoveOn.org will succeed in taking over the party; their second biggest fear that MoveOn will get mad and form their own party. So the kooks are taking over. I told you this party is moving further and further left. I told you the kook base is triumphant; the kook base is out. They are rabid. They think they're important. They think they're relevant, and this is true dissension in the ranks. This is undisguised dissension in the ranks. This is not a little subtle disagreement with the president or a subtle disagreement with the leadership of the Democratic National Committee.

This is big-time stuff -- and who are these kooks? You know, there's a great piece today, as almost all of his pieces are. George Neumayr, at the American Spectator On-line has a piece today discussing just who these Democrats are, and he has come to what I think is a brilliant conclusion. If you looked at the latest efforts combined with the consistent efforts of many, many years, to remove God from anything having to do with officialdom in America, you get to the point the latest incarnation of this is in Cupertino, California. You got this school principal who says you can't teach the Declaration of Independence out there at her school because it says "God" in it. Neumayr concludes that these people don't just hate America; they want to change it. This is the America that they live in. I guess you'd have to say they hate it. But the America of our founding is not their America, is what his point is.

His claim, Neumayr's claim, is that the modern Democratic Party is typified by MoveOn.org and these left-wing fringe kooks. Their party began in 1966. The America that they love began in 1966, the Vietnam War, all these protests, radicalism, all these oddball kooky, perverted social issues that they think are front and center and most important. That's who is seeking dominance of the Democratic Party. I think Neumayr's point is interesting. They have no regard for the America prior to 1966. They have no pride in winning World War II or any of the things that happened prior to that. Their pride is the Vietnam War and what it meant to them. That was when America theoretically lost. They get the credit for America losing, and to this day. They continue doing everything they can to discredit the U.S. military, harm its efforts, hamper its personnel, as typified by this thing that happened yesterday we learned of the Chattanooga News Times Press, gazette, whatever that little newspaper is.

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RUSH: Chris in Muncie, Indiana. I'm glad you waited, sir. Welcome to the program.

CALLER: Hey, Rush, it's an honor to speak with you.

RUSH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER: Here's the thing, that scathing letter that MoveOn.org wrote to Terry McAuliffe.

RUSH: And the DNC.

CALLER: And the DNC. They went on how they're a grass roots movement and that the Democrats don't need corporate sponsorship or whatever. How do they call themselves a grass roots outfit if all of the money they get is -- or most of it is from the likes of George Soros and other multi-multimillionaires?

RUSH: Well, now, that's a good point except a minor correction. George Soros didn't fund MoveOn. George Soros funded Americans Coming Together. He might have given them some money, but the bulk of his money went to ACT, which is headed up by Harold Ickes, who many people think is actually going to become the head of the Democratic National Committee. He's Hillary's moneybags; Hillary's tie to big labor; Hillary's tie to the Democratic Party. Now, MoveOn.org did get a lot of corporate money, but MoveOn.org actually got started during the Clinton impeachment, and that's why it's called MoveOn: "Can we just move on?" It was established as a grass roots 527 once campaign finance reform came along, but they pride themselves on being truly grass roots and Internet fundraised primarily, and they rivaled Howard Dean in this regard, but they really do think that they are a grass roots group. And I'll tell you something: I understand totally what you're saying, that the left would have been nowhere without corporate contributions, and you are absolutely right, and the MoveOn.org people probably know it too but they just don't want to admit it.

Some people may laugh at this, and of course I did too, but this is true dissension in the ranks and I'm going to tell you something, folks. These kooks at MoveOn.org and other places, they are motivated. They're the ones still trying to get the votes counted in Florida and Ohio. They still believe that this was a stolen election. They are convinced that they're getting shafted and screwed everywhere, that they're own party is not backing them up and is too eager to accept defeat because they're too tied to moneyed interests and they do okay even when they lose and so forth. And I've said for the longest time that the left wing's kooks are becoming the Democratic Party mainstream and this is just another step in that process. These are people that have no ties, really, beyond the '60s. They have no allegiance to the founding of America. They have no allegiance to the great traditions of history. They want to remake this country. They don't like the country the way it is, and that's why they have people who, in their ranks, that want to get God out. You can't teach the declaration because it says "God." This is in Cupertino, California.

You know, these are reported as little isolated incidents but they're not. If you add this stuff up over the years, it's not isolated. This is a mind-set, and it is an activist mind-set and they don't go away. Where do you think the gay marriage movement is coming from? It's coming from MoveOn.org types. This is a dynamite issue for the kook left-wing fringe. This is one of their issues and others as well. Not just that one, and they've been at this for years and years, just like we on the new media side here have been at it for years and years. These people have been lurking out there, and they've all of a sudden become somewhat prominent, more so in their own minds than in reality. But they're going to keep going. I fully believe that this guy that wrote this letter is serious about his threat to take over the Democratic Party. I think they're really mad at their leaders in the party. I think they're upset at them, calling them sellouts. They're just totally upset at the outcome here and they look at their future and they see it's bleak.

They are depressed about this, and they don't think that getting along with anybody is the way to get along and they don't think that even in their own party. They're into all-out warfare and I know that the people in Washington at the Democratic National Committee are going to take this with a grain of salt and not consider it much. This is a bunch of upstarts and they do that at their own risk. I actually applaud MoveOn's effort. I think MoveOn, I am encouraging them, and I want to see them get even bigger. I want to see them wrest control of the Democratic Party because that's all part of the process of the Democratic Party imploding on itself and destroying itself because this is not a majority of Americans. It's not anywhere near a majority of Americans. Let them have people like Michael Moore as their spokesman and as their hero in Hollywood. Let them have some of these other kooks that define them. I mean, you know, kookism is never going to become mainstream. It may become mainstream in the Democratic Party, but that's going to be such a small percentage of the total number of voters in the country. They're marginalizing themselves here, and the DNC is going to have to do something about this, because if these people continue their fund-raising efforts and succeed, they're going to be taking money away from the McAuliffes and the DNC people and that's what this is all about. Not just ideology. I mean, it's not just about money but it's a large, large part of it.

So we're going to be watching this with keen interest, folks. They're eating each other. They're eating each other alive in the Democratic Party. What happened to all this "unity"? Remember during the primaries? Every night on television during a primary, we'd have all these Democrats, "Why, we've never seen this as party as unified as it is! Why we're sweeping to victory! Why, we've never seen this kind of turnout!" It was all a lie. The turnout was small in the primaries after they anointed Kerry. There is no unity in the Democratic Party and there hasn't been in a while. They were inspired and motivated by hate and the object of that hate is George W. Bush and he's still there so they're going to continue to be motivated and inspired by hate, which is going to doom them. Nobody gets anywhere for very long and on any kind of a foundation with any substance based on hatred. It just doesn't happen. So we encourage them here. MoveOn.org, we're all behind you. Do whatever we can to help you, in fact, too. Okay. Soros gave move on 2 1/2 million. Okay, fine. They got big-time corporate money. But compared to the 20 million he gave Americans Coming Together, that's like 10%, a little bit more than 10%. But they did take money. If Soros is not a corporate interest; I don't know who is.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

You know, this business about MoveOn.org, get this. I think this is just choice. Because of campaign finance reform, which the Democrats supported, the huddled masses like MoveOn and Americans Coming Together and all that can raise far more money than the party can. That's why this threat from MoveOn.org ought to be taken seriously by McAuliffe and those cronies there at the new DNC building.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 527; 527groups; campaignfinance; donors; fundraising; kerry; moveon; rush
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1 posted on 12/11/2004 7:12:15 AM PST by doctora
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To: doctora
Lol. GO RUSH!

I really, really hope that the Deaniacs and his Internaet thugs (That would be MoveOn.org.) split from the Dems. They can put George Sorros as their campaign manager and run Michael Moore as their v.p. with Screamy Deany.

They can then start their own RossPerotParty and, by their own volition, defeat "Hit Rock Botton with Hillary Rodham" Clinton in 2008.

Easy ride for Rudy and Condi.

2 posted on 12/11/2004 7:20:01 AM PST by starfish923
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To: doctora
RUSH: Well, now, that's a good point except a minor correction. George Soros didn't fund MoveOn. George Soros funded Americans Coming Together. He might have given them some money, but the bulk of his money went to ACT

I thought Soros pledged about $15 million to move on.

3 posted on 12/11/2004 7:24:11 AM PST by Always Right
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To: doctora
Hillry is in charge no matter what..... after all she has got to put forth the picture of being a middle of the road dim and what better scam than to get the 'movinOn' crowd dissing her.

I remember Hillry little propaganda piece with her ping gals showing up to tell her what was what and she was a no show, but the media sure was allowed in.
4 posted on 12/11/2004 7:29:04 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: doctora

bump


5 posted on 12/11/2004 7:30:42 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: Always Right

Americans Coming Together was Soros' biggest recipient ($20 million). MoveOn received $2.2 million from Soros (still not chump change), as well as sizable gifts from other corporate entities less than $2 million.


6 posted on 12/11/2004 7:32:24 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: doctora

From August 2003 thru August 2004, Democrat 527's $75 million of 'Grassroots Donations':

George and Susan W. Soros $24,170,000.00



Peter B. Lewis $23,147,220.00



Stephen L. Bing $15,382,555.00



Jane Fonda $13,085,750.00


7 posted on 12/11/2004 7:35:17 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

He might have given them some money, but the bulk of his money went to ACT
I thought Soros pledged about $15 million to move on.


That's the "some money" Rush was talking about.


8 posted on 12/11/2004 7:35:36 AM PST by citizencon
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To: Always Right

I know that Jane Fonda's contribution really rivals what I gave to the Swifties...now THERE'S a grassroots movement!


9 posted on 12/11/2004 7:36:59 AM PST by andie74 (Proud Resident of Fly-Over Country)
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To: TheGeezer

A British company faxed a page asking recipients to VOTE on their approval of George W. Bush as president. All you had to do was mark yes or no and fax it back.....in fine print was the notice that you would be charged $3.95 a minute for the call, a small price to pay to be heard. Liberals are such slime.


10 posted on 12/11/2004 7:38:00 AM PST by hoosierham
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To: doctora

Is anyone here on their email list? I would love to have a copy of that email forwarded to me. comet@ircpolitics.org


11 posted on 12/11/2004 7:40:32 AM PST by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: doctora

Where's John McCain when you need him??? /sarc


12 posted on 12/11/2004 7:41:34 AM PST by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: doctora
Me just reading about Ickes, and McAwful in the same paragraph makes me want to take a shower. I feel icky.

5.56mm

13 posted on 12/11/2004 7:51:18 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: LibSnubber

Oh yeah. THIS story is going to have real legs.

Remember in Trading Places, Eddie Murphy's character is chased into the fancy men's club and arrested...He calls out "Is there a lawyer in the house?"

They all shuffle their feet and look the other way. That is just what the MSM will do with this.


14 posted on 12/11/2004 7:55:38 AM PST by rlmorel
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Well, at least we can't say the MSM isn't consistent... (groan)


15 posted on 12/11/2004 8:00:11 AM PST by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: LibSnubber

Hehe, THAT'S no lie!


16 posted on 12/11/2004 8:00:42 AM PST by rlmorel
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To: doctora

BTTT!


17 posted on 12/11/2004 8:03:08 AM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: doctora
If they broke election laws, how do the charges get to the Federal Election Commission? I would love to see them pay huge fines for breaking the campaign laws that McCain and the dim-ocrats set up to reduce political free speech in this country! You made your bed Moveon.org, now sleep in it.
18 posted on 12/11/2004 8:25:53 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Just mythoughts
The loony left does not really like Hildabeast simply because she projects the moderate image.

Rush points out that the loonies have no history before 1960; that their philosophy is anti-American at its heart. I believe this to be true: the American far-left is anti-American and hates America as it was and as it is. It denies our history. It hates it.

Rush's points reveal, I think, the loony left's foundation in dialectic materialism (DM), the philosophical basis of Marxism. Strict adherents of DM in the past actually believed that all sciences had to conform to the truths and laws of DM, since DM is, they assert, the foundational truth of all reality. Soviet science had to meet the approval of the political power, the Communist Central Committee. The worst example of this was Lysenkoism, which preached that there was no competition for survival within a species. Darwinism, Lysenko taught, was a bourgeois lie. The result was decades of Soviet crop failures: hardy hybrid wheat that could grow in the short Russian summers was never developed by Soviet agriculture, since Soviet biology had to conform to the laughable principles of Lysenkoism. The USSR ended up buying wheat from the United States to feed its citizens!

So strong was the desire to affirm the truths of DM through its application to other sciences that scientists who criticized Lysenkoism were arrested and executed as puppets or agents of bourgeois political powers (Great Britain and the U.S., primarily)! The Politburo took its philosophy very seriously, and its main members were uneducated thugs (e.g. Stalin). The harm done to science in the USSR by DM "truths" still echoes today.

DM dictates that motion in matter generates contradictions that foment changes in matter. Since humans are nothing more than matter in motion, anyone who can recognize the patterns of contradiction in human relations can ride the crest of the forces and aid the ferment of conflict that will generate change. A brilliant mind can lead contradiction and conflict into new order. This is important to remember: DM adherents believe that DM pseudoscience is perceivable only by brilliant minds developed and graced by the unconscious universe of matter in motion with superior intelligence! One need not be educated if one is sufficiently brilliant, naturally, and those who disagree with you simply lack the intelligence to perceive the inevitability of the historical forces of DM.

Think of this the next time a windbag like Cher opines stupidly about something she knows nothing about: she can consider herself brilliant as long as she conforms to DM principles generated by the left; to be able to perceive DM truths are evidence of superior intelligence!

Since the primary and fundamental human relationship is economic in nature, contradictions in human relations in the economic sphere result in class warfare, and the leaders of that conflict can use the conflict, if they are sufficiently brilliant, to create a new and universally beneficial order.

The loony left embraces, I think, all of this, and believes that radical leadership will capture the wave of history. So seductive is the idea that one can manipulate forces that others cannot perceive, that the failures of applied DM - Communism and Socialism - are ignored as artifacts of the allegedly historical forces pushing the world towards inevitable class warfare.

The beauty of all of this is that leftists explicitly and implicitly embrace internal contradictions in their political philosophies. DM demands contradiction as a component of positive change. Therefore, focus escapes the left almost as it can grasp it, and proper solutions escape them since problems can never be truly identified. Leftist governments cannot survive without total control of ideas, since that reveals the contradictions that doom them. But they are doomed, nevertheless, ultimately.

19 posted on 12/11/2004 8:37:44 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: zip

ping


20 posted on 12/11/2004 8:55:20 AM PST by Mrs Zip
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