Replies

LG, STOP! You should know very well from personal observation that nearly all businesses have private lots in which the employee is expected to park,and additionally that cities usually require a business to provide off-street parking for the employees.Often this includes the provision for fines against the business owner and/or employee if their cars are parked in the "public" spaces ,i.e. curbside. I know of such rules in SMALL cities as well as large ones.

And where is the application of the "reasonable" man oft mentioned in law ? A reasonable man can easily conclude that the imposition of restrictions that cannot be met without extra-ordinary actions , effectively prohibit whatever is restricted. And I remember something in the Constitution about "the right ...shall not be infringed." It DOESN'T say only Congress shall not infringe on the right ,but that NO ONE shall, Notwithstanding, the various elitists have been breaking the chains placed upon gov't and the people have allowed this;perhaps under the doctrine of a "living Constitution" this means we have no rights. This happens to be a theory rejected by those who understand that words mean things and have no great difficulty with the meaning of ,for instance, the word IS.

"You should know very well from personal observation that nearly all businesses have private lots in which the employee is expected to park..."

That's not true at all.

I don't have to drive to work if I don't want to.

The parking lots are provided as a benefit to employees, but it doesn't negate the owner's terms of use, or his right to set rules regarding access.

The Second Amendment

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

You all keep harping on "shall not be infringed" as if that's all the drafters said.

The right to bear arms relates to the security of a free State, and to the people's right to organize into a militia in order to defend the State.

That's EXACTLY what the Amendment says.

It doesn't say that you have a right to keep a loaded weapon in your car to protect your cows from coyotes, nor does it say that you have a right to violate the property rights of others.

"A well regulated Militia..."

Were these individuals part of a "well-regulated militia" on their way to or from training?

No.

"... being necessary to the security of a free State..."

Where these people arguing that their weapons were there to defend "the security of a free State"?

No, they claim that the guns were necessary to prevent coyotes from killing their cows.

It's not a Second Amendment case at all.

LG, STOP! You should know very well from personal observation that nearly all businesses have private lots in which the employee is expected to park,and additionally that cities usually require a business to provide off-street parking for the employees.

Often this includes the provision for fines against the business owner and/or employee if their cars are parked in the "public" spaces ,i.e. curbside.
I know of such rules in SMALL cities as well as large ones.

And where is the application of the "reasonable" man oft mentioned in law?

A reasonable man can easily conclude that the imposition of restrictions that cannot be met without extra-ordinary actions , effectively prohibit whatever is restricted.

And I remember something in the Constitution about "the right ...shall not be infringed." It DOESN'T say only Congress shall not infringe on the right ,but that NO ONE shall,

Notwithstanding, the various elitists have been breaking the chains placed upon gov't and the people have allowed this;perhaps under the doctrine of a "living Constitution" this means we have no rights. This happens to be a theory rejected by those who understand that words mean things and have no great difficulty with the meaning of ,for instance, the word IS.

764 hoosierham

Well reasoned synopsis of the issue at hand.

"And where is the application of the "reasonable" man oft mentioned in law ?"
--- Good question. There are no 'reasonable men, using reasonable arguments' in opposition here.

We are being told we must surrender our right to have private property [a weapon] in our private property [ a vehicle] in deference to the unreasoned dictates of company managers/owners, who have an obvious anti-american agenda to disarm employees.

This method of gun control will not stand.

You should know very well from personal observation that nearly all businesses have private lots in which the employee is expected to park,and additionally that cities usually require a business to provide off-street parking for the employees.

Don't know what cities you've worked in/visited, but the ones I'm familiar with (Philly, NYC, Boston, Chicago) do no such thing.