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To: Batrachian
There has to be a balancing of rights, and it seems to me that a private property owner has the right to determine who or what comes on to his property.

Ok...for sake of discussion, let's change the object and Amendment in question from guns to, oh, let's say, Bibles or Rap/Hip-Hop CD's or the Radio Station you listen to while on company property. Let's say that the Company decides to ban Bibles in personal vehicles while parked in the company lot, or says you can't listen to a particular radio station while operating your vehicle on company property.

Do you support still support their private property rights in regards to regulating what you can have in your vehicle? What is the difference between the gun and the Bible in this scenario?

75 posted on 12/11/2004 8:03:19 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Hat-Trick
"What is the difference between the gun and the Bible in this scenario?"

There is a threshold of reasonableness, if I can use those terms. It's intellectually dishonest to say that a gun is exactly the same as a book or a flag, because we all know that it isn't.

For example, some companies, such as machine shops, forbid the wearing of jewelry because it poses a safety hazard. They can then forbid the wearing of a necklace. If that necklace happens to have a crucifix on it then someone can argue that the company is violating their 1st Amendment rights of freedom of religion. It's probably been tried. We have to inject a modicum of reasonableness and common sense in to the argument and not come up with extreme examples to try to prove the point.

80 posted on 12/11/2004 8:25:36 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: Hat-Trick
I would normally be inclined to support property rights; but, issues such as the ones you mention are causing me to side against property owners.

Following your example, I can understand a business owner telling employees that no Bible study will be allowed on company property. One can argue that this is foolish because it discourages virtue among employees, but there's an implicit right to be foolish. What I don't see is how such a policy can be logically extended into a ban on having a Bible one's vehicle for use on one's own time. Likewise, while an employer might ban firearms inside the workplace, that ought not morph into a ban on an employee having a firearm while traveling to and from work. (If you can't have the gun in your locked vehicle in the lot, then how do you have it while commuting?)
84 posted on 12/11/2004 8:56:10 AM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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