The issue is not 2nd ammendment rights but property rights....The man was not arrested, he was fired. He knew the rules of employment and was on the company property.
That stated, try this scenario.....
If the gentleman was to stand in the company parking lot and complain bitterly and loudly about the company, it's management and policies would he expect to be fired or would he claim it's his 1st ammendment rights?
Try this at your employer and see if you make it till Christmas....
This is not any different for 2nd Ammendment rights....Next time, he should try to park at the curb...
NeverGore :^)
Apples and oranges. One relates to his actions while at work, the other relates to his private contents in his private vehicle.
I agree that on the owner's property their property rights should be supreme - in most cases. The problem is where those property rights interfere with another's rights off the property. An owner's right to dictate behavior of visitors on their property does not extend to a grant of immunity from liability for the effective disarming of the individuals who visit the property where the individual's disarmament results in the individual being unable to protect themselves off the property. Besides, in the real world, this feel good "no guns allowed" knee jerk reaction only makes victims of people who otherwise might be able to fight back - the homicidal maniacs obviously don't care about being fired by the time they go on their rampage.
The story says the no gun policy was a NEW one and that he did NOT know about it.
The issue is not 2nd ammendment rights but property rights
Isn't your own car considered your private property? Most states ALLOW a law-abiding citizen to have a gun in their home, place of work, and VEHICLE (even without a concealed carry permit), because this is considered having a gun on/in your own private property.
There have also been MANY instances of a teacher, administrator, employee running out to a parking lot to retrieve a firearm to stop an assault by an armed criminal/crazed attacker (the law school in Virginia, a few years back, is one example).
Employers should realize that not only is an armed society, a polite society - but so is an armed workplace, a polite workplace. Employers should also realize that criminals and crazies will ALWAYS break the law and/or company policies to take a gun ANYWHERE they want. Only armed law-abiding employees with ready access to firearms can stop these types of people.
LIFE or DEATH issues, particularly regarding an individual's God-given right to self-defense, and the means to effect such a defense, should trump an employers ability to dictate what you can or can not have in your pivately owned vehicle in the PARKING LOT.
I also think the rules, regulations, and laws that say no one can have a firearm within 1000 feet of a school, or take a firearm onto a federal facility or have one in a ntional park, etc., among other places now restricted - are UNCONSTITUTIONAL and assinine. We need to go on the attck and get all of these anti-gun laws/rules/regs changed.
If the gentleman was to stand in the company parking lot and complain bitterly and loudly about the company, it's management and policies would he expect to be fired or would he claim it's his 1st ammendment rights?"
try this scenario....
If the gentleman was to sit in his car with the windows rolled up and the doors locked and complain bitterly and loudly about the company, it's management and policies would he expect to be fired or would he claim it's his 1st ammendment rights?
I suppose you also grant the "company" the right to forbid CB radios in your car, forbid CD players in your car, forbid V8 engines in your car ad infinitum ad nauseum?
You may not need a weapon at work but between home and work is the hazard for many and the right of firearms possession is not based upon need. I work for the U.S. Government and am prohibited from bringing a firearm or other weapons to work in my automobile. If we bring needs into the question, I have never needed a firearm between home an work but nearly needed one at work a few years ago when a disgruntled worker started killing others on the job.
I will agree with the company about weapons outside of the vehicle but inside the vehicle, it is none of their business.
Does this mean, I can't have my bible?
Even if the employer allows another to wear his face covered because of Religion?
Does this mean, the company can tell me what to eat? What to drink?
Ask the Dead Post office employees about gun security?
Ask the Xerox office employees about gun security?
Ask the Columbine students who died or their parents about gun security?
Ask the 300 Russian children and teachers about Gun security?
When, AND IT WILL HAPPEN, a school is taken over because of this STUPID GUN FREE ZONE rule in America, and students and teachers are killed, Please scream "THE LAW SAID THEY WEREN"T ALLOWED to have a GUN in SCHOOL. MAYBE then YOU"LL LEARN that CRIMINALS don't give a D*MN about Laws, I pray my Son's school isn't the 1 were more people die PROMOTING STUPIDITY.
I agree in a Perfect world, IT AIN”T gonna exist until GOD RETURNS, NOT ALLAH, we won’t need ANY Protection! Ask the People in the WORLD TRADE towers what they did to die!
Ask the 40,000 people (we know about) SADDEM, gassed, Poisoned, shot, beheaded, raped, tortured, buried alive, burned alive, maimed, what they think about GUN Control. Ask the people who die from guns in NEW YORK, and WASHINGTON (WHICH HAVE THE STRONGEST GUN LAWS IN AMERICA).
Now ask Vermont, which as the Least GUN Laws in America, and the least number deaths per person per state in America.
Maybe the employer broke into someone's car and that's the topic of discussion.