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To: hoosierham
The poster claims that everyone is BOUND to protect the Constitution...not true.

I am bound by the Oath of Citizenship, elected public officials are bound by the Oath of Office, Armed Forces personnel are bound by the Oath of Induction, but an every day citizen takes no oath, and as such isn't bound by anything other than their patriotism, and as such, defending the Constitution becomes a voluntary action.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag, of The United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

No oath to defend the Constitution there.

It is the duty of every citizen to defend this Nation, but no one is BOUND who has not taken an oath binding him.

The fact that you and I would feel obligated to defend the Nation and the Constitution, does not mean that another person should be bound to do the same.

422 posted on 12/13/2004 7:27:46 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
ALL our rights are NOT enumerated in the Constitution; I believe some of the Founders were opposed to the Bill of Rights because they foresaw that those Rights not mentioned were likely to be regarded henceforth as privileges subject to gov't control.

And ,if gov't contracts simply require (which I think IS the case) any company doing business with any gov't agency to maintain a "safe " and drug-free workplace ,which includes the absolute banning of weapons; then the people of these United States are quite effectively disarmed. There simply is not enough parking away from most persons places of employment nor do most parking garages fail to post "weapon notices".

The local libraries and banks ,etc in Ohio posted "no weapon" signs AFTER the passage of concealed carry laws ;this makes it appear they were never afraid of the criminals who might be intent on robbery and worse, but that the property owners fear the LICENSED,FINGERPRINTED, armed citizen. Treating one's car or truck as a mobile domicile pertaining to rights strikes me a very reasonable.As does the proposition that if you prevent me from caring for my own needs then you should be obligated to meet those needs. The fact that courts have held the police have no obligation to protect any particular person while at the same time preventing that person from protecting himself is a travesty of justice. I note that there is often a yawning chasm between justice and legality.

425 posted on 12/13/2004 7:50:01 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis wrote:

The poster claims that everyone is BOUND to protect the Constitution...not true.

At post 218 I wrote:

All natural born citizens are bound to support and defend the Constitution regardless of oaths.
We are free to renounce our citizenship if we decline to do so, just as are naturalized citizens.

Regardless of citizenship status, all people in the USA must obey the Constitution.

-- In the past, those who have refused to defend the USA have even been interned for a wars duration.
218 jones

-- Typically, you made no reply..

I am bound by the Oath of Citizenship, elected public officials are bound by the Oath of Office, Armed Forces personnel are bound by the Oath of Induction, but an every day citizen takes no oath, and as such isn't bound by anything other than their patriotism, and as such, defending the Constitution becomes a voluntary action.

Incredible theory. Citizens of the USA, along with all other visitors & residents, must abide by our Constitution & its rule of law.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag, of The United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
No oath to defend the Constitution there.

"I pledge alligence" -- "to the Republic" -- Close enough to an oath for me..

It is the duty of every citizen to defend this Nation, but no one is BOUND who has not taken an oath binding him.

Spoonerism, straight from 1869..

The fact that you and I would feel obligated to defend the Nation and the Constitution, does not mean that another person should be bound to do the same.

Suit yourself.

435 posted on 12/13/2004 8:32:52 PM PST by jonestown ( JONESTOWN, TX http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles)
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