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To: nanak
As someone from the financing side, there is another shoe that could drop too. Long term rates are still pretty low, but it's the short term rates that are going up rather quickly. This is very worrisome to someone that has an adjustable rate that are tied to 6 month or 1 Year LIBOR or treasury rates. I think the 6 month LIBOR is at 2.6%, one year LIBOR at 2.90% and the 1 year treasury at 2.65%. These rates were 1.00% less than that only 6 or 7 months ago! You can probably add another .25% to that in a week when the fed raises the discount rate again. For someone holding an ARM that will be adjusting soon on a conventional mortgage loan based on the one year t-bill, the new rate will be about 5.375%, not bad, but still a payment that was higher than the previous year.

Also, what could really start a collapse are interest only loans being done for homebuyers that use this product because it's the only way they can afford to buy homes at inflated prices. They may be (barely) able to afford the payment now, but in a few years there could be a double whammy. First, (assuming a 5 year interest only loan), now a loan becomes payable in 25 years rather than 30, and second, the rate that was in the low 5's is now in the 7 and 8 range (the rate could go as high as 10% or 11% depending on the ARM terms). Assuming a $200,000 loan at a starting rate of 5%, someone with an interest only payment could see their mortgage payment go from $833 per month to $1413 at a 7.00% rate, or $1817 if rates go up to 10% during the next 5 years. You could have quite a few foreclosures along with a limited number of buyers because they can't afford the home prices, even with interest only financing. I blame the mortgage investors for lowering the qualifying standards. They have made it too easy to qualify for financing. People making $25-30k a year in salary really shouldn't be buying homes 5 - 6 times their incomes. Personally, I plan on renting for a while and whether the upcoming storm.

I remember getting some unplanned upon money in 1999. I remember I wanted to get in on the tech stocks so I ended up buying a couple of tech/internet sector funds when the NASDAQ was 12,000. I believe both of those funds are now worth about 30% of what I paid for them. I definitely got in at the wrong time. I think people that have been buying homes after the big run up in home appreciation might have the same experience. I hope they got a fixed rate and a good home, because it doesn't look like they'll be going anywhere for the next few years.

21 posted on 12/10/2004 9:48:34 PM PST by Subsonic22
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To: Subsonic22

can you explain what's driving the short-term rates?


23 posted on 12/10/2004 9:52:21 PM PST by verifythentrust
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To: Subsonic22
Let's not forget 95-100% mortgage financing, the increase in qualifying from roughly 26% to 38% income, and zillions of home equity loans signed when interest rates were "too low to pass up."

Kleenex and Puffs Plus will be lucrative stocks when the debt hits the fan.

25 posted on 12/10/2004 10:00:47 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: Subsonic22

BINGO on the interest only loans!


149 posted on 12/11/2004 7:30:37 AM PST by chalkfarmer
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