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Doubts Persist About Election Results
AP ^ | Dec 10, 2004 | Rachel Conrad

Posted on 12/10/2004 2:08:43 PM PST by jazztrptman

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I searched as best I know for any other postings of this NEW AP headline as posted on Yahoo less than an hour ago. I'm still a new Freeper so you veterans be patient with me.

I'm not sure I can get any madder about all this Ohio s**t. When will the Republican Party stand up and shout "ENOUGH!" ? The fact that the WHACKO extremists continue to be given so much press (yes yes - I know - MSM) but that doesn't prevent us from getting ink as well (if we really want ink). Are there ANY demonstrations or activities in Ohio demanding an end to this insanity?

OK - I feel better. Please don't flame me if I've posted incorrectly. It's Christmas time! Merry Christmas!

1 posted on 12/10/2004 2:08:43 PM PST by jazztrptman
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To: jazztrptman

As their only chance is Ohio they deem to discount/ignore any other state where the results could be questioned.


2 posted on 12/10/2004 2:10:51 PM PST by rocksblues (No more Kerry, no more polls!)
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Naaa. Let 'em keep acting like loonies and really tick off the Ohio electorate so it turns solid red.

Prairie


3 posted on 12/10/2004 2:11:01 PM PST by prairiebreeze (It's my right to publically celebrate Christmas and state my faith in Christ. At least for now.....)
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Paragraphs are you friend ;-)

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As the Electoral College (news - web sites) prepares to certify President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election on Monday, concerns persist about the integrity of the nation's voting system — particularly in Ohio, where details continue to emerge of technology failures, voter confusion and overcrowded polling stations in minority and poor neighborhoods.

 

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Few mainstream politicians dispute Bush's victory, and the incumbent's 3.5 million-vote margin nationwide was wider than any of the reported problems, which included insufficient or incomplete provisional ballots and, in some places, brazen partisan shenanigans.

But that is not stopping a disparate assortment of personalities — prominent among them Democratic congressman John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) and presidential candidates of the Green and Libertarian parties — from questioning the accuracy of certified results and demanding investigations.

Of greatest concern is the extent of disenfranchisement in the critical swing state of Ohio, whose 20 electoral votes guaranteed Bush's victory.

"It's critical that we investigate and understand any and every voting irregularity anywhere in our country, not because it would change the outcome of the election but because Americans have to believe that their votes are counted in our democracy," John Kerry (news - web sites) said this week, after calling for a statewide recount in Ohio.

The nation's voting system, despite improvements since the 2000 Florida fiasco, remains a locally administered patchwork whose lack of national uniformity distinguishes the United States from many other democracies.

Although most complaints have come from Democrats and the third-party candidates, Republicans and bipartisan groups acknowledge problems. The Government Accountability Office is investigating election problems. Rep. Bob Ney (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio and chairman of the House Administration Committee, will oversee an inquiry next year.

The U.S. Election Assistance Commission, created in 2002, is also scrutinizing the outcome. It plans to publish in January the government's first report on the voting, which will serve as the basis for congressional recommendations and reforms.

"We definitely did not have a glitch-free election," said EAC chairman DeForest Soaries Jr., a Bush appointee.

Rev. Jackson and other activists want wholesale changes in the U.S. voting process, ideally before the 2006 midterm elections. Jackson says the most distressing problem appears to be the lack of nationwide standards. No federal agency enforces regulations when states or counties fail to comply with internal procedures.

Without national standards, he said, some poor counties have inferior equipment and insufficient numbers of voting machines to support dense populations.

"What we really need is a federal standard for elections, and we need a constitutional, individual, federally protected right to vote," said Jackson, president of the Chicago-based Rainbow/PUSH Coalition.

Grassroots activists say politicians who refuse to discuss voting concerns will lose respect — and votes.

"If the Democratic leadership doesn't step up, why do they think that the activists on the ground — the people who collected millions of dollars, made phone calls and registered people to vote — would do it again in 2008?" said Don Goldmacher of the Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club of Oakland, Calif.

Ohio's Republican Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, has conceded that a recount would likely alter the vote tally somewhat. But he adamantly dismisses allegations of fraud.

"This was an election where you have some glitches but none of these glitches were of a conspiratorial nature and none of them would overturn or change the election results," Blackwell said on Monday when he certified the results.

In the last five weeks, activists have documented thousands of voting problems across the nation. The citizens' lobby group Common Cause received 210,000 phone calls to a hot line that logged complaints.

Electronic errors were so grave in Carteret County, N.C., that election administrators will hold a special election in early January to determine the next agriculture commissioner. Paperless touch-screen voting machines there failed to retain 4,438 votes during early voting before Nov. 2. The Democratic incumbent lost by just 2,287 votes out of about 3 million cast statewide.

In six states, including Florida and Texas, about three dozen voters complained that they selected Kerry on touch-screen machines but were shown as having voted for Bush until they revised their electronic ballot. Equipment manufacturers blamed the problem on miscalibration.

In New Orleans, poorly trained poll workers told thousands of voters to come back later in the day because they couldn't turn on new electronic voting equipment when polls opened.

And in a Franklin County, Ohio, a precinct where 638 voters cast ballots, a computer recorded 3,893 extra votes for President Bush. The error was corrected in the certified vote total, and local election workers have been unable to reproduce the error.

Conyers, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), began examining Ohio's problems in a hearing this past week attended by eight Democratic lawmakers.

Among his concerns was that voters in urban, minority and Democratic precincts waited in lines up to eight hours — even though in Youngstown, election administrators had extra voting terminals stored in a warehouse. Conyers also charged that a "campaign of deception" directed some Democrats to wrong polling places, where they were forced to cast provisional ballots.

Last week, Conyers sent a letter to Blackwell asking him to cooperate in a Democratic investigation of "substantial irregularities" in Ohio, which certified a 119,000-vote margin for Bush. That is some 17,000 votes fewer than Blackwell's original estimate of 136,000.

The margin shrank primarily because of the Franklin county glitch, and the addition of overseas and provisional ballots. Provisional ballots — meant to address concerns of voter disenfranchisement — were cast by voters who showed up at the wrong precinct or without proper identification on Nov. 2.

Out of Ohio's 156,977 provisional ballots, about four in five, or 121,598 ballots, were ruled valid.

 

4 posted on 12/10/2004 2:11:14 PM PST by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: jazztrptman

This is all in a little left-wing echo chamber. 95% of the nation is busy with the holiday season. Even most Rats aren't drinking this Kool-Aid.


5 posted on 12/10/2004 2:11:15 PM PST by ambrose
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To: jazztrptman

PS welcome to FR!


6 posted on 12/10/2004 2:12:41 PM PST by rocksblues (No more Kerry, no more polls!)
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To: ambrose

Yes, Monday will be a great day, when the vice President certifies that Bush is again our President!


7 posted on 12/10/2004 2:14:24 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: jazztrptman

Funny that the only voting irregularities that AP cares about are those that subtract from Kerry's total. Merry Christmas and a hearty welcome to Pajamaland!!!


8 posted on 12/10/2004 2:14:40 PM PST by NRA1995 (Yew jes' go and lay yore hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan and I think yer gonna fin'lly understand)
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Paragraphs are you friend ;-)

And that shirt is really you, friend. :-)

9 posted on 12/10/2004 2:15:00 PM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: jazztrptman

The GOP can put an end to this circus by asking for recounts in WI, PA, NH, and MI.


10 posted on 12/10/2004 2:15:11 PM PST by RegT
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To: jazztrptman

Maybe we should start to question results in those states where Kerry barely won! I Wonder how the DUmmies would react to that?


11 posted on 12/10/2004 2:15:38 PM PST by jeffc
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To: RWR8189; tiamat; rocksblues; prairiebreeze; ambrose; Cacique; Tax-chick
Meteorologist Frank Field:

It seems that the Democrats are having a "brainstorm" tomorrow evening. It appears that we're in store for a light drizzle. No need to bring the umbrellas, folks.

12 posted on 12/10/2004 2:16:44 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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If the election went the other way would the MSM still be doing stories about election problems a month after the election? I think we all know the answer.


13 posted on 12/10/2004 2:18:01 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: jazztrptman

Relax this is going nowhere on a fast train. Have a Merry Christmas .


14 posted on 12/10/2004 2:19:35 PM PST by Deetes
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

LOL!

There was some Mullah who was claiming that "America would suffer storms" just this morning.


15 posted on 12/10/2004 2:21:11 PM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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Doubts?

One word AP: !TIHSLLUB

Move the frak on already you retched, repulsive rat bastard antithesis of decency!

You are allied with principalities and powers, rulers of darkness in this world. AP: anti-American Press.

16 posted on 12/10/2004 2:21:23 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: ambrose
Even most Rats aren't drinking this Kool-Aid.

No, but the delusional conspirazoids at DU are drunk on it. (I go over there for entertainment once every couple of days. What a hoot!)

17 posted on 12/10/2004 2:22:25 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: jazztrptman

You're forgiven!

And welcome to FR!

Merry Christmas to you too!


18 posted on 12/10/2004 2:23:05 PM PST by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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Blah Blah Blah Blah......Yadda Yadda Yadda. They can doubt and scream fraud all they want. Monday the electoral college meets and casts it's votes and makes the election official. After that they can scream and cry fowl until the cows come home and it won't do them a bit of good


19 posted on 12/10/2004 2:23:13 PM PST by Nascardude
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To: Deetes
It's difficult to relax when you know from experience stories like these will become the new pillars of delusion for the Democrat base. Further the eroding of American confidence in leadership and elections. It's a design, seemingly guided by a higher and darker power, staffed and furthered by the unchecked ambition of politicians and hate mongers, to move us towards anarchy and civil war.

The illegal immigration invasion, the war on peaceful and profitable assimilation, the war against education, the culture war is all part of this effort to destroy America.

20 posted on 12/10/2004 2:27:27 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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