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To: Raycpa
So what. so what the Khmer victims go to hell. If they go, they were destined by God to go there at the beginning of time.

Fair enough. Does the same apply to Jews murdered by the Nazis?

Why do you think so [that God exists]? What evidence do you base your thoughts on?

I don't think I could cite any hard evidence. It's simply a belief. For example, something had to cause the big bang. It just seems more logical that there would be a creator rather than not.

I have also spoken with people who underwent a near death experience. I take that as anecdotal evidence, not proof. You might say it's a judgement call...

If we are basically evil and we have an infinite amount of time on our hands, we will eventually cause as much havoc as Hitler. our hearts need to be changed from the inside out.

I have no problem with you believing we are evil. I disagree.

But from my understanding of scripture, you are a forgiven sinner when you go to Heaven, but still a sinner. Why would you not continue to sin in Heaven, whereas unforgiven sinners would, if God decides to let them in?

409 posted on 12/15/2004 11:01:17 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Fair enough. Does the same apply to Jews murdered by the Nazis?

Yes.

I don't think I could cite any hard evidence. It's simply a belief. For example, something had to cause the big bang. It just seems more logical that there would be a creator rather than not.

So, the fact that Hebrew prophets who had all prophecies prove true would not be as strong a source for you as your own feelings.

I have also spoken with people who underwent a near death experience. I take that as anecdotal evidence, not proof. You might say it's a judgement call...

I too have had such an experience but i base my beliefs on that plus the testimony found in scripture plus the "testimony of tradition" (those who are far smarter than me who have studied theology far longer than me).

I have no problem with you believing we are evil. I disagree.

Really. The Hebrews spent hundreds of year's simply trying to comply with a few commandments and agree that not one of their kind could ever keep them. You must be the first. Congratulations.

But from my understanding of scripture, you are a forgiven sinner when you go to Heaven, but still a sinner. Why would you not continue to sin in Heaven, whereas unforgiven sinners would, if God decides to let them in?

On earth we begin the process of changing in obedience to God. I assume this process either continues at death or is made fully complete. It is a process that cannot be forced and must be done willingly. Someone who rejects God would not agree to be changed.

411 posted on 12/15/2004 11:33:10 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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