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Looks like we won't be able to discuss this - I am far too inferior for discussions with you.

No, you're probably just not used to dealing with someone as perpetually crabby as me. I do apologize for that, but when I see arrogant theists repeating the tired old canard that "there are no atheists in foxholes" and someone referring to all atheists as "liberal air heads" (and I know that you weren't the one doing that), I get a little pissy.

But, why do I have to delve into arguments of evolution vs creation to prove my own beliefs?

You don't.

You see - I do not believe in the ultimate validity of evolution without a creator to start the process.

Well, I won't argue with you. As science can only study the natural world, observing a supernatural cause for any natural phenomenon is outside of the realm of science. As such, science cannot address the possibility of a Creator starting something like evolution; which means that it can neither confirm nor deny such a thing.

When someone wants to argue that evolution is true, but that a divine creator was behind it somehow, I'm not going to get involved. That's not a discussion based purely on science, but at the same time they're not denying anything presented by science, so I usually have no quarrel with them. My problem in this discussion has been with a number of people who assert that the existence of 'God' (and not just any divine agent, but a specific God, typically as described in the Bible) is somehow "obvious", despite the fact that less than half of the planet believes in such a deity. To me, that comes off as an arrogant insult against non-believers where it is said that it's not so much that they've just not seen the right evidence, but that they are idiotically ignoring very obvious evidence right in front of them. As though someone with no knowledge of Western culture could one day go outside and discern just from the sunrise that there is a single God and that this God gave His Son to die for the sins of humanity. It's also a blanket dismissal of every argument for any other religion and against Christianity and while those arguments may well be flawed, it still looks like a cop-out to sweep them all away by saying "if you don't get it, there's just something wrong with you".

Perhaps I misinterpreted something that you said to mean that. I was seeing red after a few of the more arrogant comments yesterday, and I apologize if I attacked you unfairly.

Thank you for your kind reply.

I'm afraid there might have been a little of the "if you don't see it, it is because you don't want to see it" in my attitude and I apologize for that. It comes from the continual assaults on Christianity in the world, in Hollywood and all the USA today.

You are correct there are different views out there, different gods, different beliefs. I do believe mine is the correct one or I would be searching for the true one. Some believe in a god with a different name but I sometimes feel it is the same God as mine.

Yet, we are commissioned to spread the word all over the world. God's favored people, the Jews, have been the recipient of many attempts by God to get them to be faithful to him and put aside their other gods. They have been banished, persecuted and then forgiven time and again because He so loved them. Yet, they still to this day deny His Son is the Savior and feel the Savior has yet to come.

So, we who do believe should heed the outcome of installing other gods in place of God. He does not accept it and it is an affront to Him. Therefore, we have understanding that all do not yet believe, but we know that the only way to Heaven is through God's Son, Jesus.

They deny Jesus at their own risk.