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To: Dr. Frank fan
We went through this in, what, the 1830s? :)

And the 1780s, and the 1960s, and the 1300s, and the 1400s, and the 1970s, and ... Just won't go away, will it?

4 posted on 12/09/2004 4:16:19 PM PST by Leonine
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To: Leonine
Historically, Russia (and by extension Ukraina, Belarus, and the Baltic nations) have had much higher concern over Freemasons, Rosicrucians, and other such orders than most -- even perhaps all -- other nations. Whether this was entirely justified is dubious, but there isn't the slightest doubt in the world that the Rosicrucians, for one, conspired on occasion during Catherine's reign with one of the Grand Dukes (sorry, forget which one right this minute -- maybe Paul?) to attempt to coerce the removal of a number of her advisers. Presumably, this was entered into with a view toward weakening her to the point of abdication.

One can hardly conceive of Freemasons these days trying to overthrow or undermine, say, Germany or any other developed nation. Ukraina is, though, so fragile a political state right now that it's difficult to apply the statement ''that could never happen'' there.

13 posted on 12/09/2004 4:45:11 PM PST by SAJ
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