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To: dandelion

There has been a shift in steel production, from iron-ore based toward recycled-based over the last 20 years. Generally speaking, the recycled steel is much cheaper to make (for obvious reasons) and some US firms such as NuCor have popped up, without union labor, to fill the need.

The old-line steelmakers who 'do it from scratch' (USSteel, Bethlehem, Wheeling-Pittsburgh) are generally union shops and have a lot of very expensive equipment, not to mention mines, ships to transport ore, etc., etc.

The Chinese have also discovered recycled steel and are buying scrap like there's no tomorrow. THIS has raised the price of scrap, thus raising the price of recycled steel.

Now even NuCor is hurting for margin, because some buyers of their product have long-term contracts binding NuCor to a fixed price.


120 posted on 12/10/2004 5:28:12 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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121 posted on 12/10/2004 5:34:33 AM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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To: ninenot
There has been a shift in steel production, from iron-ore based toward recycled-based over the last 20 years. Generally speaking, the recycled steel is much cheaper to make (for obvious reasons) and some US firms such as NuCor have popped up, without union labor, to fill the need.

The new producers were cheaper because they were more productive labor-wise since they weren't locked into old time labor contracts and were not burdened with costly health and pension payments. Materials for an integrated mill were and are cheaper than scrap, which is why a good integrated mill located close to the sources of its materials will always be more efficient than a scrap fed mill.

There is also the little issue of sourcing scrap if you do not forge new iron. The mini-mills are only able to exist because we either import pig iron or steel slabs, or make it ourselves.

Lastly, mini-mills benefit from lower transportation costs in regions without integrated mills, because many of them have been built in areas of the country devoid of natural resources, but which still have a ready market for product. The integrated mills are mostly tied to the Great Lakes and the Quebec and Minnesota Iron Ranges, and therefore their nearby customer base of midwest auto plants and appliance/office furniture manufacturers.

146 posted on 12/10/2004 8:42:30 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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