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To: NJ_gent
In such a case, my problem is not that the person is anti-pornography, but that they are seeking to increase state power at the expense of personal freedom.

I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

29 posted on 12/09/2004 1:35:31 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480
I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

Ok, tell ya what - the day this country goes against one of the very ideals behind it's foundings, and bans Islam, I'll agree to a federally-mandated ban on Pornography. How's that?

35 posted on 12/09/2004 1:38:08 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: Pyro7480
I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

For some reason I'm more concerned with what Osama did to New York than what Debbie did to Dallas.

50 posted on 12/09/2004 1:44:58 PM PST by Minn
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To: Pyro7480
"I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this."

They're the same so far as I'm concerned. If someone wants to throw a rug down and pray toward Mecca, whatever. If that someone then decides to strap a bomb to his chest or hijack an airplane, then I've got a problem with him, and he needs to either be arrested or (failing that) killed.

If someone wants to put on the latest Jenna DVD and spend a quiet night at home alone with her, whatever. If that someone then decides to go out and try to rape women, then I've got a problem with him and he needs to either be arrested or killed.
65 posted on 12/09/2004 1:50:21 PM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: Pyro7480
I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization

The Religious Right is very worried about radical Islamism -- because it is embarassingly similar to their own doctrines, and damns them by obvious association.

457 posted on 12/10/2004 7:40:10 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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