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To: DTA; Kolokotronis; MarMema; Pyro7480
Thank you for posting those icons; they are simply magnificent.

The Muslims are grabbing and destroying to many christian churches. Someone noted that this happens every 700 years. Do you have any information on this?

10 posted on 12/09/2004 12:56:24 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer

Islam has only been around for 1,400 years or so, so I don't know it that is conclusive. I see the current situation with Islam as the end of a long lull in the long battle with them. The last major battle was in Vienna in the 1600s, and then they have been gradually been in decay politically-speaking. Now, they are fighting again.


11 posted on 12/09/2004 1:02:53 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: NYer; DTA; MarMema; Pyro7480; kosta50

The Turks did the same thing all over Greece during the Turkokratia and are doing it to this day in Cyprus. Their basic and heretical iconoclasm compels them to do this. In my family's village in Greece they whitewashed over all the icons painted on the walls of the various churches in the village. The irony of it all is that the whitewash preserved them for the 400+ years the Turks were around in southern Greece so we have them now. In some instances in the past, and quite commonly now in Cyprus, the icons were actually disfigured or completely destroyed. The communists committed similar desecrations during the civil war in Greece in the late 1940s.

Bishop Artemije, by the way, is an articulate and formidible hierarch who is very well respected in the Orthodox world. That he has filed this suit lends great credibility to the cause of the Serbian Church in this matter.


12 posted on 12/09/2004 1:24:25 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: NYer

Actually, Muslims destroying, as opposed to grabbing, Christian churches is a new phenomenon. Traditionally, despite their objection to imagery, Muslims would seize Christian churched intact, burn any relics they found, whitewash the icons (not destroy, just cover) and convert them into mosques.

The penchant for blowing up churches and defacing icons is new, and stems from the importation of ideas from Western secularism into Islam (as does suicide bombing--the Islamic injunction against suicide gets trumped by existentialist 'absolute commitment' importe into Islam by Sayeed Qutb--in previous rounds of jihad, the Muslim fanatic had to get an infidel to kill him in battle to claim the 72 houri).


22 posted on 12/10/2004 7:00:02 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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