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RUMSFELD SET UP; REPORTER PLANTED QUESTIONS WITH SOLDIER (DRUDGE SIREN)
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Posted on 12/09/2004 9:22:17 AM PST by Nascardude

Edited on 12/09/2004 10:05:10 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Rutles4Ever

Well said Rutles4Ever.


501 posted on 12/09/2004 12:34:17 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
While some 278th soldiers were pleased about the prospect of a plane ride into Iraq, others said they didn't want to miss the ground convoy's adrenaline rush.

That tells of a whole different story then what's been reported

502 posted on 12/09/2004 12:34:54 PM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: TheForceOfOne

Every time I hear one of these stories I wait a day or more before commenting, anymore. The spin is ridiculous and deceitful. Then I see this article that was written by this "credible" reporter that contradicts what this soldier asked and watch as freepers eviscerate Sec. Rumsfeld. As if we should believe this person.

I know that things aren't perfect, they never are nor will they be, but I refuse to believe that the Pres. or Rumfeld want our soldiers to die, or that they don't care.

By the way, it they come up with a way for helicopters to not be shot out the they sky by RPGs I wish they let someone know. Or am I to believe that the Administaration wants my husband to die? Good grief.


503 posted on 12/09/2004 12:34:56 PM PST by highlandbreeze
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To: notigar

Wow.
Snarky.
And inaccurate.

I asked you a question.
You said "Yes" meaning you knew for a fact 100% what or who they were cheering.
And, you have yet to prove to me that you do.

Let's continue.

Have you ever served in uniform?


504 posted on 12/09/2004 12:35:24 PM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: Darksheare

Either

A) Too many trolls

or

B) Some Conservs on here agree with the libs, that it doen't matter how a story is generated, spun, or manipuated... as long as the 'purpose' is right
(IE "who cares if the reporter created his own story to report on, it brought up a real issue")

I disagree strongly with both.


505 posted on 12/09/2004 12:36:25 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (2)
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To: Wolfstar

Bless you guys for bringing this up - We no longer have the industrial base to produce something that would have taken a weeks production in the old America.


506 posted on 12/09/2004 12:36:58 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Rutles4Ever
The troops ARE lacking the best armor for this battle. Regardless of the reporter, it's a fact. When the school where my wife teaches at has a staff fundraiser so one of her colleague's sons in the Marines can buy himself some Kevlar, there's something wrong. It's unconscionable that soldiers were expected to pay out of their pocket for this equipment.

I totally agree with your post! If we are going to fight a war then we better supply the troops who put up their own lives and the future of their families with the best weapons and armor that we possibly can.

Don't tell me that we can't afford Kevlar and armored vehicles for the troops with the BILLIONS that are wasted by our government(demoRat AND Republican) year after year!

We spend BILLIONS on overseas military bases "protecting" countries like Germany and Japan from non-exsistant enemies while our fighting men and women die in Iraq for lack of body and Humvee armor??

That is obscene! Heads ought to roll because of this crap!

507 posted on 12/09/2004 12:37:20 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: J. Worthington Witfellow

Wow, he's so cool. now he'll have something to tell his grandkids; that his ego and is unethical behavior got him five seconds of fame!


508 posted on 12/09/2004 12:37:33 PM PST by ladiesview61
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To: Americanwolf

Of course!

Just parroting the left, and their fellow travelers to whom men who have been in public life for decades, suddenly can become sinister, vile, dishonest, and have no regard for their troops.

Thank god we have rational adults in charge.


509 posted on 12/09/2004 12:39:00 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: FreedomNeocon

I think this is a hotbutton issue and people are getting too heated over it.
But what to do about it?
Spray cold water on the thread?

*shrugs*

We've already had a couple trolls and enemy apologists in this thread.
And they did a good job on stirring up the pot.


510 posted on 12/09/2004 12:39:51 PM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: prairiebreeze
On certain days I'd assert that you have the order of the media's agenda mixed up as to first and second.

On certain days, the ideological agenda does trump the monetary rewards agenda.

511 posted on 12/09/2004 12:39:59 PM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
The soldier was a pawn or a liberal. The MSM shouldn't be the complaint department during war. As those statements are made soldiers in the field are left exposed each time some scumbag makes a dime at the detriment of the military. You gotta problem, go through the proper channels not the NY Times.
512 posted on 12/09/2004 12:40:21 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I replied to you privately. But apparently you seem to be under some illusion that I like the MSM, I don't know who you are reading...but it's NOT me.


513 posted on 12/09/2004 12:40:27 PM PST by marty60
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To: Destro
Bless you guys for bringing this up - We no longer have the industrial base to produce something that would have taken a weeks production in the old America.

Understood, and thanks.

514 posted on 12/09/2004 12:41:05 PM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Wolfstar; Destro

ROCK ISLAND ARSENAL -- (Extensions of Remarks - July 14, 2004)

[Page: E1371] GPO's PDF

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SPEECH OF
HON. SILVESTRE REYES
OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
TUESDAY, JULY 13, 2004

* Mr. REYES. Mr. Speaker, two weeks ago, I returned from my fifth trip to Iraq since the President declared an end to major combat operations last May. I was able to visit with our brave men and women in uniform, many of whom still endure daily rocket strikes. Their resolve and ability to maintain good spirits in the harshest of environments is a testament to the caliber of our armed forces and their dedication to their jobs.

* Last week I learned of the death Lance Corporal Michael Torres, a young man from my district who was killed by enemy fire in Fallujah. A high school scholar, athlete, and young Texas State Guardsman, Lance Corporal Torres joined the Marine Corps to serve his country and his fellow Americans. His pride for our Nation and his willingness to serve is an inspiration for El Paso and our country.

* Yesterday, along with my colleagues SOLOMON ORTIZ and GRACE NAPOLITANO, I joined Congressman LANE EVANS in touring the Rock Island Arsenal, located in his district. Congressman EVANS invited us to visit this premier facility of which he is so proud and to which he offers much support. At Rock Island , we were able to see armor kits being made for Humvees, and talk with the employees who have been tirelessly working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to produce armor kits for our Humvees that are in theater in Iraq. Having seen some of these armor kits being installed in Kuwait, and having talked to soldiers both installing the kits and receiving armored vehicles, I wanted to pass on their gratitude to the workers.

[Page: E1372] GPO's PDF

* When our men and women in uniform initially crossed the burm in Iraq, fewer than 40 percent of their vehicles were armored. Today, thanks to the hard work of the men and women like those at Rock Island Arsenal, we are well on our way to having every vehicle armored. Since December 19th of last year, Rock Island has produced more than 2,500 full armor kits for Humvees that were sent to Iraq--many of which were installed in theater by the very men and women who built the armor. Our Nation owes great thanks to the men and women of Rock Island Arsenal. Their hard work and dedication is giving soldiers protection and enabling them to return home to their families.

* While I am pleased that we are on our way to successfully armoring our vehicles, it does not make up for the fact that many, many men and women in uniform died when they could have been protected by properly armored vehicles. I am pleased that the House Armed Services Committee has been able to work in a bipartisan manner to give our soldiers and marines in theater better force protection measures, but this should not have had to happen after our soldiers were already in theater. When we use our forces, we need to ensure that they have adequate equipment, the best information and technology, and the best training possible.

* Our men and women in uniform, like Lance Corporal Torres was, are among the best and the brightest that our Nation has to offer. They are our sons and daughters, our fathers and mothers, our friends and neighbors. As a veteran and as a proud American, I pledge to offer my continued support to ensure that our men and women in uniform have what they need to do their jobs and return home safely.


515 posted on 12/09/2004 12:41:32 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Darksheare

"Oh, so you were there and knew what was going on?
Please, inform us all of what REALLY went down."

Oh, and that's not snarky? How do you know Lincoln was assassinated? Were you there? And, in regard to whether I served in uniform, what does that have to do with anything?


516 posted on 12/09/2004 12:41:35 PM PST by notigar
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To: FreedomNeocon
sick of the retards that can't differentiate between a complaint and the way that complaint is made (via manipuation by a reporter, distorting reality) Get a clue.

Interesting that 'distorting reality' can get 1000+ soldiers to cheer isn't it? Must be some truth to that distortion. How would you suggest this complaint be made? Up the chain of command? Lord knows how fast government channels work. Maybe this soldier's grandson will have the armor. Of course by then it will outdated but hey he complained the 'correct' way and that's all that matters isn't it?

BTW, I expected the namecalling to be a little later after you had completely run out of an argument. I guess since you didn't have one in the first place, you just had to default to namecalling huh?

517 posted on 12/09/2004 12:41:44 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: notigar

I asked you a question and instead of answering it you went to try and flame from the bio page.
Not a smart move by the way.


518 posted on 12/09/2004 12:42:21 PM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: roses of sharon

Ok I feel better :)


519 posted on 12/09/2004 12:44:07 PM PST by Americanwolf (Democratic Underground... Digital Crack for the the loony left.....Hey troll! Put the pipe down!)
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To: ladiesview61
Wow, he's so cool. now he'll have something to tell his grandkids; that his ego and is unethical behavior got him five seconds of fame!

WOW. Are your speaking of the solider who asked Rummy the question about more armor, who might just die tonight serving his country ,in a war zone ,while you sleep in your nice warm bed? If you are shame on you.

That is truly repulsive and it take alot to repulse me....blah

520 posted on 12/09/2004 12:44:10 PM PST by Quinton
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