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RUMSFELD SET UP; REPORTER PLANTED QUESTIONS WITH SOLDIER (DRUDGE SIREN)
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Posted on 12/09/2004 9:22:17 AM PST by Nascardude

Edited on 12/09/2004 10:05:10 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Palladin
Agree about Rush. Someone should tell him the election is over.

Rush is sounding just like a whining, crying baby. Blaming this entire thing on this stupid a$$ reporter.

This is beyond sad.

241 posted on 12/09/2004 10:31:53 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Old Sarge

Quote: The National Guard should pay for their bitching. They have the NERVE to complain when the Marines and ARMY are doing the heavy lifting with any public complaints?

The neighbor kid is in a hospital with major leg and back wounds from a IED. He will be able to walk again..with a limp. He was in the RESERVES.


242 posted on 12/09/2004 10:32:59 AM PST by superiorslots
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Joe, you can play MSM all you want. But some of us actually saw the event on tv and know you overstate the "erupting in cheers" part.

In addition, I never criticized the question. I criticized the media misrepresentation of Rumsfeld's answer.

Whatever point you think you may have, it is a stupid one.


243 posted on 12/09/2004 10:33:00 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Joe, you are spot on!

Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney have wanted soldiers to die all along.

I doubt Rumsfeld even talks to his commanders, and I hear Bush hangs up on them.

They are all in this for the oil and Halliburton anyway, or maybe its the jews?

I also heard that Bush's father hated the military too, and Rumsfeld and Cheney during their former tenures as Def Sec, let soldiers die needlessly then too.

This is definitely Vietnam all over again!
244 posted on 12/09/2004 10:33:11 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: JustAnotherOkie

If you note in the article .. that problem started in the 90's


245 posted on 12/09/2004 10:33:38 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: Palladin

Do you have an allergic reaction when confronted with facts and truth or what?


246 posted on 12/09/2004 10:33:44 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I'm a journalist and as I said in an earlier post, my brother was an embedded reporter during the Iraq war for a weekly magazine and this is just clearly breaking the rules. I have never heard of anyone working with an interview subject to think up questions. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. The journalist and the subjects are supposed to stay on different teams - only in this case they didn't. I showed the Drudge report to my journalist colleagues at work and they couldn't believe it. No one here has heard of anyone doing this.


247 posted on 12/09/2004 10:34:07 AM PST by somerville
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To: OXENinFLA; Bob J
Good day, OXENinFLA. Thanks for the ping to this important bit of news. I heard about this on Rush while driving to work (Pacific time). I am never surprised to learn of media deception, manipulation and dirty tricks. What's surprising here is that the reporter who set up Rumsfeld came out so quickly and crowed about it publicly. Usually, they keep their dirty tricks private and hide behind the First Amendment. I guess this reporter, Edward Lee Pitts, was looking for a way to fast-track himself into national prominence among his peers.
248 posted on 12/09/2004 10:34:28 AM PST by Wolfstar (Counting down the days to when the new White House puppy arrives.)
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To: Logic is in short supply here
Rumsfelds response is also completely out of line with reality

Really.

Please take us line by line through his entire response and demonstrate your absurd assertion.

249 posted on 12/09/2004 10:35:27 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: onyx
It doesn't matter now. MSM have already gotten the mileage out of it.

Ah yes, that used to be the case before the internet when a story like this would be debunked three weeks later. Now, it was debunked in two days flat while it's still an issue.

We've got them on the run. Let's keep it up.
250 posted on 12/09/2004 10:35:53 AM PST by Antoninus (A blessed birthday of Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, to you!)
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To: marty60
That is whats so bad about these media stunts. it makes the work our soldiers are doing that much harder. I don't want even one of them killed. These anti-military stunts really make me mad.

This stunt wasn't anti-military, and the soldiers cheered the question. The people under fire are the ones who cheered, not Rummy. And they are understandably impatient, I don't blame them a bit.

251 posted on 12/09/2004 10:37:05 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Joe Hadenuf

They erupted in cheers because every soldier in every unit wants the latest and greatest gear right the f**k now.

Several months ago it was all about the 'shortage' of M-4s, followed by a 'shortage' of small arms ammo. Before that, it was the 'shortage' of Interceptor body armor. In a few months, it will be a 'shortage' of something else. And people like you will pile on, saying "It's all Rumsfeld's and Bush's fault!" Get a clue.


252 posted on 12/09/2004 10:37:21 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: Logic is in short supply here

Your name most applies to YOU. This is a superbly equipped military by far the best in history. Its causalties have been few comparatively speaking. Any assisting the RATmedia's attempts to destroy the President are reprehensible.

Rather than discussing the remarkable job that military has done and the fantastic leadership Rummy has provided it quibbles about relatively small problems. It must be remembered that this is the same source of the predictions there would be tens of thousands of soldiers killed in the invasion and getting to Baghdad would take months followed by urban warfare on a massive scale as the entire country rose against us.

It is hard to find any source of "information" which could be more wrong about as many things or more damaging to our cause. This is another example of an attempted RATherization of the President by these sick f#cks. And you fall for it.


253 posted on 12/09/2004 10:37:46 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: cyncooper
Thank you for posting the full question and answer in context.

Now, I see absolutely nothing wrong with troops wishing to have this problem addressed conferring with a professional wordsmith to best put together their question prior to the Q&A.

In other words, the soldiers involved knew that asking their embedded reporter how best to compose the question maximized the chances of it being publicized. They perceive a problem, they want to get the word out, they want results.

What in the world is wrong with any of this? Judging by the transcript, the question was posed tactfully, the answer given fully and honestly.

This is not "insubordination", it's an honest plea that, I'd imagine, these soldiers have been making for months on end. The journalist did not "plant" these soldiers, only helped them better refine their question; to suggest otherwise is to suggest this reporter acted as some sort of puppetmaster, pulling the strings of some idiot soldier who can't think for himself.

Many of you Dittoheads get angry when liberals accuse you of being "mind-numbed robots"; suggesting this soldier was just some patsy incapable of independent thought is no less insulting.

254 posted on 12/09/2004 10:37:56 AM PST by LincolnLover (FairTax BUMP, now and always!)
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To: Republican Red
The press officer in charge of my regiment, the 278th,

Here's a hint for you, Lee. It ain't your regiment, especially not now.

255 posted on 12/09/2004 10:38:10 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("There's nothing more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." - Roy Spim, AKA Eric Idle)
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To: cyncooper

cyn, I've been with the President all along on this war. But there is no excuse for the greatest and wealthiest country in the world to send its men and women off to war ill-equipped and ill-supplied.

I watched the whole conference on TV. I don't take my opinion from the edited media reports.

That room BURST INTO CHEERS when the question was asked.

Reservists and Guard should not be treated like some second-class force. They lay their lives on the line every day in Iraq, just like the regulars.

The question was honest and heartfelt, as could be seen from the reaction of the troops, and Rumsfeld's answers were shit-poor.


256 posted on 12/09/2004 10:39:29 AM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
The arrogant scum reporter claims that it erupted in applause. I do'nt recall hearing that reported elsewhere. I wouldn't be so quick to believe him.

If it were such a concern to the troops, why did they need to be coached by a non-combatant?

You don't wonder these things?

Dan

257 posted on 12/09/2004 10:39:39 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That is still miles above the A$$wipes here attacking the SecDef.

He can take it. That's why he makes the big bucks. He's where the attacks should be, not on the troop asking the question.

258 posted on 12/09/2004 10:39:40 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Also agree about Rush. I just about stopped listening to him. He always leaves out just little bit to make his point. The other day he thought it was nuts that the park service would fine a guy for dumping dirt in a national park from his garage. What he did not tell was that dirt was probaly full of junk or contaminated with oil.
I've seen the quality of dirt that people. My neighbor wanted to fill up a ditch and put up a sign asking for free fill dirt. 60% dirt, rest broken up concrete etc.

Sorry for the rant.


259 posted on 12/09/2004 10:40:04 AM PST by superiorslots
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To: Nascardude

The soldiers I have talked to see the media as another face of the enemy.

Embedded reporters have been a bad idea from the beginning.


260 posted on 12/09/2004 10:40:48 AM PST by Amish with an attitude
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