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To: ZULU
I believe in Evolution and I believe in the Bible and God. "Intelligent Design" satisfies both my beliefs.

The problem is that those two things are mutually exclusive. As your post said, Evolution is a process of random mutation and natural selection rather than a specific design.

But I still share your belief that there is no conflict between Genesis and Evolution. It's just that I think God created the very concept of "randomness" and "natural selection" at the core of Evolution. No conflict.

The Discovery Institute lost their earlier attempt to make a living promoting "Creationism" which ignored scientific evidence entirely. Now they've modified their stance enough to appear "scientific", and are having better luck forcing schools to include ID which basicaly claims that they have scientificly "proven" the existence of God via the creation of the earth.

That's where they loose me, because science can't be used to prove any diety. That might be nice, but sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

15 posted on 12/09/2004 9:42:19 AM PST by narby
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To: narby

"It's just that I think God created the very concept of "randomness" and "natural selection" at the core of Evolution. No conflict."

Isn't that Divine Intent?


"That's where they loose me, because science can't be used to prove any diety."

I agree - more or less. There is no direct evidence.


37 posted on 12/09/2004 10:20:06 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: narby

Actually, I am pretty sure that nowhere in the theory of evolution itself is there any mention of randomness or purposelessness. Those ideas are not scientific. What test would lead you to the belief that the random or purposeless nature of evolution is false? Now individual scientists, on the other hand, often argue precisely that evolution is random or purposeless. If anything, randomness or purposelessness may be assumed on the basis of Occam's Razor. That is, the idea that life evolved as a result of undesigned processes and the idea that life evolved as a result of designed processes are deemed to be equally good at explaining the observations. Occam's Razor tells us not to multiply entities needlessly, so undesigned processes are assumed, since there is then no need for a designer. Science will never accept a designed process since there is no test for it.


82 posted on 12/09/2004 11:40:28 AM PST by stremba
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To: narby
But I still share your belief that there is no conflict between Genesis and Evolution. It's just that I think God created the very concept of "randomness" and "natural selection" at the core of Evolution. No conflict.

Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only person that thought that way. Many people (on both sides of the argument) seem to ignore either the supporting evidence of the other side or the gaps in their own theory. I believe that God guides evolution. They actually fit together quite nicely.

88 posted on 12/09/2004 11:52:00 AM PST by usapatriot28
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