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Groups Debate Slower Strategy on Gay Rights (Human Rights Campaign and other Democrats)
NY Times ^ | 12/9/04 | JOHN M. BRODER

Posted on 12/08/2004 9:30:01 PM PST by Cableguy

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1 posted on 12/08/2004 9:30:02 PM PST by Cableguy
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"...more moderate strategy, with less emphasis on legalizing same-sex marriages and more on strengthening personal relationships."

What does that mean?
2 posted on 12/08/2004 9:34:58 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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It's too late. The whole country knows they've gone way too far.


3 posted on 12/08/2004 9:35:14 PM PST by risk
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It is not in the nature of most gays to practice safe politics, IMHO.


4 posted on 12/08/2004 9:38:16 PM PST by dasboot
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It's code for mainstreaming.


5 posted on 12/08/2004 9:39:09 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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"The legal strategy to win marriage rights is a decade ahead of the political strategies to educate the public and the legislatures," said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

They don't get it. They still think its a matter of education.

In thier eyes they are right. Their plan is to capture the schools first, and indoctrinate the youth.

6 posted on 12/08/2004 9:39:12 PM PST by konaice
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No,no! Its a matter of rights! Push it to the limit, never give in, never stop! Who cares if Democrats are locked out for a generation?! Its a civil rights issue!!


7 posted on 12/08/2004 9:46:59 PM PST by Nonstatist
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Their Goals are the same only they are going to get Sneakier and more underhanded. They will do anything.

The best thing for us to do is stay with the Lord and apply his Laws to our lives and the lives of our children. The Homosexuals actuallly HATE the Lord, they cannot twist the Laws of God to fit their Lies.


8 posted on 12/08/2004 9:50:10 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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They should reach out to the Muslim community. That would be REAL exciting.


9 posted on 12/08/2004 9:58:46 PM PST by ReadyNow
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It would probably flush out those sleeper cells if anything.


10 posted on 12/08/2004 10:10:27 PM PST by kuma
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I like it. Hook the gays up with the Muslims. The Muslims love to chop of heads, and not necessarily the ones on the top of the shoulders. Problem solved.
11 posted on 12/08/2004 10:12:34 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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Are the gays getting voted off the island?


12 posted on 12/08/2004 10:14:46 PM PST by bayourod (Bush said. "Let's see if I can say it as plainly as I can: I am for the intelligence bill.")
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They should reach out to the Muslim community. That would be REAL exciting

The "HEADS" would roll!!


13 posted on 12/08/2004 10:18:25 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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The leadership of the Human Rights Campaign, at a meeting last weekend in Las Vegas, concluded that the group must bow to political reality and moderate its message and its goals. One official said the group would consider supporting President Bush's efforts to privatize Social Security partly in exchange for the right of gay partners to receive benefits under the program.

A dose of sanity. I recall certain conservative gay writers saying that if any issue should be paramount for them then it would be commonsense social security privatization. That would be a lot more beneficial to gays in their actual lives as opposed to the usual in-your-face, nose-thumbing rituals at the culture and society. HRC might actually accomplish something of substance rather than symbol (they may also be worried that the democrats are fixing to chuck them overboard). Social Security privatization is an issue with which they could actually find common ground with the ascendant republicans. Vastly more constructive than beating their little fists, kicking their little feet and squalling for another four years...

In recent weeks Mr. Frank has been particularly critical of Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco for his decision earlier this year to allow thousands of gay couples to wed at City Hall. The marriages, which Mr. Frank called "spectacle weddings," were later invalidated by the California Supreme Court.

Poor Barney Fwank, he warned them and warned them, but did they listen? Noooooo.

More obnoxious legal stunts will only serve to dig them deeper into the hole they're in.

14 posted on 12/08/2004 10:23:36 PM PST by sinanju
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Thats a cover story they haven't let up, here in NJ...Gay marriage case in the NJ supreme Court. They have no plans to let up.
15 posted on 12/08/2004 10:24:22 PM PST by KingNo155
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So the plan is now "How do we fool America?". It is too late. Gay marraige lost 11-0 and now the democrats are thinking of making one of the proponents of gay marriage, Howard Dean, chairman of the party. Many people, including myself, think the democrats are not going to learn from last Novembers election. Barely a month out, I have already seen signs I was right.


16 posted on 12/08/2004 10:52:15 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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Mr. Katz and other aggressive advocates of gay rights said they believed that marriage rights were the key to winning fundamental equality for gay men and lesbians and that retreat from that struggle was self-defeating.

I totally agree with Mr. Katz and others in the militant Gay movement, and I think that they should keep, and even increase pushing clear up until the 2008 elections!

17 posted on 12/08/2004 11:02:23 PM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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-A Gay ( or not! ) Old Time- GM links--
18 posted on 12/09/2004 12:06:57 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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I think we can be grateful for the DNC's willful inability to learn. On the other hand, there are signs of hubris, incompetence, and even corruption in the RNC. Yesterday's vote on the intelligence bill set my teeth on edge.


19 posted on 12/09/2004 2:17:46 AM PST by risk
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I think that intelligence bill is stupid. I agree that the RNC runs a risk of not lerning why they won. In fact, Hannity and Newt said the same thing on the radio show this week.

As for the democrats, I think their introspection will be short lived, as usual.

20 posted on 12/09/2004 7:49:44 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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