Muscular Christians Flex Their Muscles

TAS ^ | 12/7/2004 | S. T. Karnick

[momincombatboots]

"Muscular Christianity"- O I like that, I like that very much. I believe they were not referring to our um, physiques. I believe they were referring to our "peace love and happiness doctrine" sans faith in Christ, repentance and accountability. I am often criticized as a Christian who believes in gun ownership and fighting wars.
I reply to them, Christ Himself said "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one" Luke 22:36 In the end, He would heal an ear struck by Peter, but He did that to demonstrate God's power, so the man would believe.
Formerly, he had them take none of these things, pointing out they had been provided for.
Fighting for no reason and without provocation is wrong. Self defense and defense of the gospel is righteous. For example, when Christ entered the temple there was literally hell to pay. He turned the other cheek when it was required to fulfill scripture and to demonstrate God's power.
Prayers for your wife.

[No_Outcome_But_Victory]

"Muscular Christianity"- O I like that, I like that very much. I believe they were not referring to our um, physiques. I believe they were referring to our "peace love and happiness doctrine" sans faith in Christ, repentance and accountability.

I thought the same thing. We need a little more "Old Testament" style thinking in out Christianity. I am tired of wimpy, milktoast cheesiness from churches today.

I am often criticized as a Christian who believes in gun ownership and fighting wars.

I have been critized for these things as well as being pro-death penalty for murderers. People say 'well a rich country like ours can afford to keep criminals locked up for life' and I tell them yes, but it costs lots of money to keep alive a reprobate, and taxpayers could see their money go back in their pocket to do good with.

Keep the faith. Thanks for your prayers, also. Very much appreciated!

[Reagan is King]

Good question. The only thing I've been able to figure out is they have a pathological fear of anyone judging their actions as right or wrong. They prefer the "if it feels good, do it" mentality and Christians stand in the way of that.

[followerofchrist]

Somebody already used that. Please explain how you came to the conclusion that am a follower of Mohammed. All I know about the guy is that he married a rich older woman for her money and then evalgelized (militarily), while collecting young wives on the way. He couldn't wait for his 70 Houris in paradise. I assure you that I would never follow a God or prophet I didn't know, or one who was a scoundrel. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

[followerofchrist]

I didn't say God minds that we celebrate Christ's birthday on the wrong day and season. Just a factual iota that the celebration is not Christian in its origins.

[dsc]

"Just a factual iota that the celebration is not Christian in its origins."

It it is a fact that Christmmas was moved to December to make it easier to Christianize pagans who had midwinter celebrations, that in no way changes the Christian origin of Christmas.

All that means is that pagans had midwinter ceremonies, and now we celebrate Christmas at the same season.

[broadsword]

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that am a follower of Mohammed.

Because your posts have made it consistently obvious, depite the lies. But your Mohammedan religion says its a virtue to lie to the infidel for the cause of Islam, even going so far as to pretend to BE an infidel... but then you knew that already.

[followerofchrist]

"Just a factual iota that the celebration is not Christian in its origins." We agree then.

[RightOnline]

Well over 80% of Americans claim to be Christians. Those who seek to continue to spit into our faces had best take heed:

We're mad as hell, and we're NOT gonna take it any more.

[followerofchrist]

How can a person who prays to Jesus Christ and believes He is the Savior be called a Mohammedan? Christ doesn't care about my political views, He cares that I believe in Him as the Savior and that I proclaim it. I proclaim it openly, and Jesus will proclaim my love for Him to His Father on judgement day. People can be Christians if they disagree with parts of the republican platform. The Lord did not say "Thou shalt have the same opinions as Pat Robertson or George Bush to be called my own." I don't appreciate being called a liar or one "pretending to be an infidel" (what?)merely because I think differently than you or have differing political viewpoints, even on hot bottom, emotional issues. What you, or the "world" thinks of what I write here matters not. Only Christ matters, and it is He, not Mohammed or Allah, who answered a desperate, specific prayer of mine in a time of need. I do have many intellectual and moral questions with regard to some of the stuff in the OT. But that doesn't shake my faith or the fact that Jesus Christ is with me. I know this not because of anything written, but because the truth is in my heart and He performed a miracle for me. He doesn't care if I voted independent. He doesn't care if I sympathize with Muslims in their time of need, or whether or not I am anti-war. He doesn't care if I disagree with modern day interpretations of Revelation or Daniel. He cares that my heart is with Him and that I take time to figure out for myself, rather than being led, what exactly he expects from me. He cares that my heart is in the right place and that I wish to please Him. He makes the judgement of whether or not I please Him, not you or anyone else. You can go ahead and claim I am not a Christian if you wish. I advise you to read the New Testament a few times again and ask yourself whether or not worldly political views has anything to do with whether or not a person can be called His own.

[DarkSavant]

He's an ass, probably best to ignore him.

[broadsword]

He [Jesus] doesn't care if I sympathize with Muslims

Uh huh. Sure. That statement says a lot.

followerofchrist (who does know to capitalize "Christ" is, in his own words, a Muslim sympathizer.

[jan in Colorado]

Jesus may not care if you "sympathize" with Muslims, but take note....

Muslims deny Jesus is God's Son, so therefore, they are calling Him a liar!

[USF]

Good point.

This seriously offends me all the more when it comes from someone that may practice taquiya or find the deceitful examples of Muhammed as something to emulate.

[Robert_Paulson2]

There IS no God called allah... and mad mo... was NO prophet.
Supporting people who deludedly believe otherwise... would be an act of hate.

Islam, is a lying death-murder cult followed by largely ignorant, emotionally hysterical third worlders. They are in the process of self destructing and in in two or three generations will be as common as worshippers of poseidon are in the state of Kentucky.

good riddance to a muderous, jew-hating cadre of nazis dressed in burquas and clerical garb... to give their 'movement' religious cover.

[followerofchrist]

So do Jews deny Christ. They are not calling him a liar, they just don't believe the same way we do. I sympathize with anyone not born to the life and freedom we have here, and many of those folks are Muslims. I am grateful to not be born in the middle of the Sahara and under the rule of tyrants!

[followerofchrist]

He [Jesus] doesn't care if I sympathize with Muslims Jesus sympathized with a Roman soldier while under occupation, and took pity on him. That says more. He realized anyone could believe. Why should I have contempt for someone born under harsh Muslim rule who doesn't believe the way I do? They don't have the same freedom of choice we do. Why should I not sympathize with desert dwellers without a pot to pea in while the royal families live in luxury and enforce with violence their religious laws? Am I supposed to HATE them? Or am I supposed to forgive them when they don not know what they are doing? Christ forgave. He even forgave Paul, not that we humans have the same kind of power to love our enemies. If I did love my enemies (which I don't), Christ would approve, sorry.

[broadsword]

Your constant support of America's bloodthirsty enemies shows you for what you are and cannot be disguised as the Christian ideal, no matter how hard you try to follow your Muslim ideal of taquiya to lull the infidel to sleep for an easier kill.

[ariamne]

I haven't been here long, but it is clear that there is a cabal of islamics and/or islamic apologists on the site, whose pious posts are smokescreens to try and lull the infidel FReepers into getting banned, or worse, to discredit the entire site. Look for them particularly when a thread about terrorism or islam is posted. Merry Christmas, and God Bless You.

[jan in Colorado]

Anyone who denies that Jesus is the Son of God, is in fact calling Him a liar.

Since He in fact, claims to be the Son of God, you can't claim that He is a "good" prophet and yet at the same time say He is not who He says He is.

He is either the Son of God or He is a liar. You can't sugar coat it.

It's one or the other.

Now, the difference between how other nonbelievers behave, and followers of the Koran behave is; other nonbelievers don't have written orders to kill you because to them you are an infidel.

I have many Jewish and atheist friends, and we respect the freedom of choice to believe or not.

Granted as a Christian, my goal is to teach others, including Muslims, that Jesus is the Messiah.
Jesus doesn't ask us to sympathize, he asks us to teach, and spread the light. But, thankfully, we aren't ordered to kill them if they reject the Truth.

I trust you can distinguish the difference between the two.