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To: PleaseNoMore
Why do you think drug use and pregancy rates are much higher than they have ever been? Just look at the teen suicide rates. You have to reach them at their level. I am sorry but that is true.

Maybe pregnancy and drug use is up because they live in a culture that glorifies drug use and premarital sex, and because parents don't keep control over what their kids get involved in. People have always craved acceptance. Even when I was a kid. That's nothing new.

And it's not that the church is trying to push it's way through the garbage and reach children. It's that the church is trying to often emulate the garbage so as to fool them into accepting it.

Salvation is about understanding one's need for a savior. Acceptance that Jesus is that savior. And acceptance of that salvation. (unless your a hardcore calvinist... then it's just about being chosen). But you just can't find a single biblical reference where it says "the apostles / early christians / followers etal" examined creative ways to soften the gospel and make it more appealing to the world. When you consider what being a believer ment back then (often a dinner date with lyons or someone throwing rocks).... it's just difficult to believe that the cause of christ can only be advanced if we make the gospel appealing in a worldly sense.

799 posted on 12/09/2004 11:20:20 AM PST by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: kjam22
No one here is saying to soften the message. I am saying reach them WITH the message in ways that they understand and relate to. Speak their "language". Get their attention.

One Sunday morning a friend of mine got up, dressed in her too tight dress and had a little too much makeup on and went to church. She went to a church where the folks there welcomed her with "You are a sinner and need Jesus" and she was shunned like the plague. See, my friend was an alcoholic. Inside she was longing for something but didn't know what it was. She thought that she would give religion a try.

Well needless to say she figured out really fast that she wasn't like those folks and that religion wasn't what she was looking ofr. My friend fell deeper and deeper and began doing crack and ended up on heroin.

One night she was desperate for money for her next fix and she decided to sell her body. She went to the corner store here near my house to find a john. She began talking to a young man there. He was in his late 20's. He was a rough looking guy. She said that he looked like he was a user and that is why she approached him. He looked like her. The young man told her that he would pay her her price. She got into his car and they drove to a local seedy motel. When they got into the room she began to take her clothes off. He asked her to stop. He told her that he was not going to have sex with her and she became angry because she thought that he wasn't going to keep his end of the deal.

He told her that he was still going to pay her but for the money she was going to have to listen to him tell her a few things. He began to witness to her about his own life and his addiction to crystal meth in his teens. He told her his story then told her about Jesus. She listened only because he was paying her to, or so she thought.

When he was through talking he asked her if he could pray with her. She told him that it was his dime but do it quickly. He did and he paid her and he left her there in that room never touching her.

She took his money and went to the dealer and bought her drugs. She got her fix and she said it was the worst she had ever had. She could not get high enough that night.

The next day she woke up and she said that all she could think about was that young man and his story. She also knew that she had reached the end. She laid on the floor of the dealer's house and said, "Jesus, if you are real and you can clean up that boy and get him off crystal meth please help me". She said that she immediately felt something inside her. She wandered back home and cleaned herself up and went to bed for 2 days. She said that the rest she got that day was almost cleansing. She went on to find a bible group and is now in church and serves as the Treasurer of her congregation. She has her own business and is engaged to be married.

Moral? This man looked like her, identified with her, showed her love and compassion and never condemned her. He spoke her language. He was a bit creative. He didn't shun the opportunity just because it didn't conform to the traditional way of evangelizing. He gave her the message but left the rest to the Holy Spirit.

If the message of salvation is not delivered with the love of Christ the heart of the deliverer it will not be accepted. I have been to a couple of Christian rock/contemporary music concerts where the performers wept openly before God in worship. Where they ministered to the crowd with the love of Jesus in their hearts. I have been to many churches where the preacher basically insulted everyone in the congregation by telling them how horrible they were. Which do you feel got more people's attention and led them to Christ?

Do NOT EVER miss an opportunity to be creative simply because it doesn't conform to traditional ministering and NEVER try to minister to someone with the love of Christ dwelling within you. You will do more harm than good. Most important of all, never assume that it is YOUR place to save someone and never assume that because someone else is doing it differently that it don't work.

830 posted on 12/09/2004 2:36:56 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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