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To: Howlin
But I've never heard it discussed that they can go out and do their own investigations, have you?

Nor have I ever heard of a judge keeping a juror on the panel who refuses to DELIBERATE, have you?

On the first point, certainly not. On the second, if they refuse to deliberate because the other jurors refuse to deliberate his (his/her for battin 1000) points, then it is another matter. I'm sorry, I don't have the particulars of the juror that refused to diliberate. But there must be more to it than that. What, they just said, sorry, I'm not interested? My guide has always been, when something sounds that odd, either someone is really that stupid or there is something else going on.

264 posted on 12/07/2004 9:54:34 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: BJungNan
On the second, if they refuse to deliberate because the other jurors refuse to deliberate his (his/her for battin 1000) points, then it is another matter. I'm sorry,

This juror had 19 spiral bound notebooks of ALL the notes he had taken during the trial -- those notes are NOT evidence and they are taken for the personal use of EACH juror, not for group discussion afterwards.

Each juror, if they wanted to, took their own notes; they are not, under any circumstances, required to go over every note this guy made.

Also, this guy told the judge that HE was having problems reaching a decision and deciding what HIS own motives were; quite simply put, he had MAJOR issues with himself and demanded that the 11 other jurors do it HIS way or he wanted off the jury.

He ASKED the judge to remove him after the 11 other jurors complained that he wouldn't move one foot forward unless they reread all 19 of his notebooks.

342 posted on 12/07/2004 11:33:46 AM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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