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Low-Downs On Pat-Downs (The Point)
News Central ^ | 12/05/2004 | Mark Hyman

Posted on 12/06/2004 2:52:00 PM PST by Angry Republican

Helen Chenoweth-Hage had a simple request. The former Idaho Congressman had been pulled aside at the Boise Airport for secondary screening to include a physical pat-down. Chenoweth-Hage had sailed through the metal detector without problem, but TSA officials wanted to scrutinize her some more.

The former Congressman simply asked to see the regulations that permitted TSA officials to pat her down. They refused. And she refused to allow them to pat her down. So they booted her off her flight.

Incidents like this have happened so many times that it is beyond absurd. The regulations of TSA, which should stand for "Thousands Standing Around," are cloaked in secrecy. In this case, a 66-year old former Member of Congress is told to submit to further scrutiny for reasons of political correctness and to inflate inspection numbers.

According to aviation industry sources, the TSA intentionally targets individuals for further scrutiny not because they pose a threat, but because their profiles fit those the least likely to complain. Groups getting extra scrutiny include government employees and the military. Other national security threats reportedly requiring further scrutiny in the past include former Vice President Al Gore and longtime Congressman John Dingell.

The two-part problem is this. First, inspecting people who clearly do not pose a threat distracts attention from those who could pose a threat. Second, the notion that TSA can subject the public to regulations that are not made public is ludicrous. It's like citing a motorist for speeding with the speed limit signs all covered.

The Transportation Security Administration has not provided real and responsible security to our nation's airlines and airports. Playing hide and seek with the regulations and subjecting innocents to absurd inspections in the name of political correctness is simply a waste of time and money.

And that's the Point.

I'm Mark Hyman.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: airplanes; airportsecurity; politicallycorrect; tsa
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To: Knitebane
"I don't fly on commercial flights."

Good for you. Enjoy your walk.

"I'm going to blame you as part of the problem."

If it makes you feel better, go right ahead.
141 posted on 12/06/2004 5:18:20 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Max Combined
Max Combined said: "May you someday possess the wit to be able to differentiate between a pat down and being in chains, although that is extremely unlikely."

And may you someday possess the wit to realize that the Holocaust in Germany did not begin with death camps, poisonous gas, and crematoria. It began with regulations, restrictions, and government authority that few Jews saw reason to oppose.

142 posted on 12/06/2004 5:19:08 PM PST by William Tell
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To: lonevoice
Their secret? Profiling.

...and until we adopt the same logic, MaxCombined's rules will rule and we will remain in danger.

We have the best computerized screening in the world but are too pc to use it.

Max wants to waste time screening algore everytime he gets on a plane. What a use of resources! unghh...

143 posted on 12/06/2004 5:21:20 PM PST by houeto
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"yet our borders are an endless conga-line of people entering our country illegally"

Let's stop illegal immigration, deport people here illegally, and take reasonable steps to prevent folks from hijacking or blowing up airplanes, shall we?
144 posted on 12/06/2004 5:22:43 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Max Combined

What about large building, skyscraper, tunnels, subways, malls etc, where literally 10,000 people work, and shop. Should they too be groped, searched, scanned, x-rayed, sniffed, and searched?


145 posted on 12/06/2004 5:23:49 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: LibertarianInExile
"EL AL prevented it. NOT the TSA."

The point, which seems to have escaped you, is that the person with the bomb was a pregnant, white woman, not a swarthy, Muslim.
147 posted on 12/06/2004 5:24:26 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Max Combined

agreed


148 posted on 12/06/2004 5:25:26 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: Petruchio
I can't wait to watch Max Combined's view change when it is his wife that is felt up.

Ditto...

...but hopefully not BLOWN UP because they were feelin' her boobies instead of PROFILING like they should be.

149 posted on 12/06/2004 5:27:29 PM PST by houeto
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To: Max Combined

Pardon me, but how is she a nitwit? Is she a nitwit for asking the nitwits to produce the regulations that supposedly provide their authority over the citizenry?


150 posted on 12/06/2004 5:29:13 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Thanks for your knowledgeable and rational comments.
151 posted on 12/06/2004 5:31:42 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: Max Combined

Hey Max, you don't work for the TSA or any other gooberment agency do you? You seem to be awfully hot on people not questioning "authority" and keeping their mouths shut.


152 posted on 12/06/2004 5:32:12 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Max Combined

Intelligent people get banned all the time but you go on and on like the Energizer Bunny.


153 posted on 12/06/2004 5:33:50 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

"while the while the terrorists truck, ship, or pilot a nuke across the border.

For the record, I am against allowing terrorists to truck, ship, or pilot a nuke across the border.

I am also against nitwits slowing down the line at airports.


154 posted on 12/06/2004 5:33:57 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: CaptainJustice
Psycho Civil-libertarians are small, petty people.

I'm done with this thread. Your (our) day is coming. Thanks.

155 posted on 12/06/2004 5:34:56 PM PST by houeto
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To: durasell

Questioning authority means questioning authority and not some poor guy just trying to do his job."

This "poor guy" signed on to act as an extension of the governments authority. If he doesn't like the job he can go back to flipping burgers.


156 posted on 12/06/2004 5:35:02 PM PST by dljordan
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To: takenoprisoner
"Kicking Chenoweth off her flight didn't prevent a terrorist threat"

No one kicked her off her flight. She decided she would rather bicker than follow the rules, so she was not allowed to board her flight.
157 posted on 12/06/2004 5:35:49 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: durasell

2004 has not been a vintage year for Freepers.


158 posted on 12/06/2004 5:36:47 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: William Tell
"But it does not justify the loss of all freedom."

I agree it does not justify the loss of all freedom, but it does justify reasonable searches at airports.

"I choose not to fly because I don't like the trade-off."

Whatever floats your boat. At least you are not slowing down the line by arguing with a person who is only trying to do their job.
159 posted on 12/06/2004 5:38:44 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: CaptainJustice

Some geek putting his grubby hands all over your body isn't humiliating? Well, buster, then bend over!!!


160 posted on 12/06/2004 5:39:55 PM PST by DLfromthedesert ("Don't be an economic girlie-man" Ah-nuld)
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