[texan75010]

Here is my take on Predestination. A teacher gives a test. Depending on how well you prepared yourself for the test determines what grade you will get. If you are fully prepared, you are predestine to get an "A". It was determined before hand what it takes to get that "A". All you have to do is that amount of studying to achieve that.

God laid out what it takes to get to heaven before hand. It is predestined. It is up to you to take the steps to achieve that. (Not talking about works).

[Modernman]

God laid out what it takes to get to heaven before hand. It is predestined. It is up to you to take the steps to achieve that. (Not talking about works).

I can't see how you can call it predestination if there are steps that need to be taken to achieve salvation. It's not a different concept than the Catholic position that you need faith plus works. You're saying you need faith plus something else, too.

[wideawake]

If you are fully prepared, you are predestine to get an "A". It was determined before hand what it takes to get that "A".

Ah, but what if the student decides to neglect his preparations? Does he do so voluntarily or involuntarily?

That's the key question of predestination.

[Marysecretary]

I like that explanation. It makes sense to me. Thanks.