[TERMINATTOR]

"Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security." Benjamin Franklin

[MNJohnnie]

they see as potential Nazi-like developments


Anyone who says this clearly is completely ignorant of both the History of the Nazi regime and the realities of the Partiot Act 2. It is really funny how those who scream loudest in American politics repeatedly demonstrate both their complete ignorance and their hyper partisan political bigotry.

[mysterio]

It is amazing that the Surpreme court lets any of this stand. Our justices need to study the Constitution more carefully.

[antiRepublicrat]

The removal of the requirement to disclose the identity of anyone who is charged in a terror-related investigation until that person is charged, regardless of how long it may take;

I thought they only "disappeared" people in dictatorships and communist countries.

Creating a new category of "domestic security surveillance" that permits electronic eavesdropping of entirely domestic activity under looser standards than are provided for ordinary criminal surveillance;

Big Brother's watching you...

Repealing the current court limits on local police spying on religious and political activity;

And I'm sure they'll only spy on mosques, right?

The ability to obtain credit records and library records without a warrant;

Now where did I put that 4th Amendment?

Expansion of the definition of terrorism whereby individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship, and their organization could be subject to wiretapping and asset seizure;

Dissent is not allowed.

Sheltering federal agents engaged in illegal surveillance without a court order from criminal prosecution if they are following orders of high Executive Branch officials;

"I was only following orders" didn't work in Nuremberg, but apparently it'll work here.

Americans could be extradited, searched and wiretapped at the behest of foreign nations, whether or not treaties allow it; and

Don't do anything that's illegal in other countries. That Nazi paraphernalia could have the Germans or the French after you, with our government's help.

Lawful immigrants would be stripped of the right to a fair deportation hearing and federal courts would not be allowed to review immigration rulings.

Immigrants have no rights. Kicking out lawful immigrants was one of Hitler's first steps.

[bushisdamanin04]

When ever I see a complaint about the Patriot Act, or “blaming” John Ashcroft for it, or whatever else the non-thinking party spews forth, I think it is worthwhile to recall which Democrats and other liberals voted YEA for the Act in 2001:

Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Breaux (D-LA) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carnahan (D-MO) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Daschle (D-SD) Dayton (D-MN) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Edwards (D-NC) Feinstein (D-CA) Graham (D-FL) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Mikulski (D-MD) Miller (D-GA) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Snowe (R-ME) Stabenow (D-MI) Torricelli (D-NJ) Wellstone (D-MN) Wyden (D-OR)

[muggs]

bump to find later.

[joesnuffy]

Are the borders closed or are they open?...are OTM getting in or not?
Has the border patrol been hindered or helped by HS
Are our commercial and cargo pilots armed or is Minetta still obstructing?
Are Middle Eastern males between the ages of 18-45 being correctly profiled or blue haired Florida grannies?

[samtheman]

I agree with Dennis Miller on this stuff. I believe I have a fundamental human right to stay connected to my butt.

[Publius6961]

Benjamin Franklin never experienced muslim terrorism up close and personal.

[mbennett203]

"The American Civil Liberties Union has analyzed the draft of the bill"

I have a hard time believing anything these clowns say.

As for spying on mosques or commies, quite frankly, that's the two spots I'd want them to stick their noses in.

However, Franklin's admonition rings as true today as when he said it. I'm a little nervous about another expansion of government power (I'd rather do it only when necessary, and admittedly, stopping some religious fanatic from blowing up my fellow Americans is 100% NECESSARY.). Maybe if they went ahead and read the bill before passing it this time...

[A. Pole]

To put this question in perspective - every year several hundred thousands of people in USA die from cancer. Many of them die painful, slow death (with the restricted access to the painkillers because of war on drugs).

I think it is better to die in a terrorist attack than from cancer. And the chance for the second is uncomparably greater. I would rather spend money on medical research than on restricting freedoms in the name of "security".

[jan in Colorado]

Ping

[FreeReign]

The American Civil Liberties Union has analyzed the draft of the bill and lists several new government powers it would establish.

Oh, the ACLU knows best. Nice of them to analyze the "draft of the bill" and offer their opinion -- with out one quoted reference.

We don't need to think for ourselves. Not when have the ACLU looking out for our freedoms.

[XtreMarine]

I did no read this article. I do know that we need tougher laws and regulations in place to protect our country. Forget the freedoms if there is no country to express them...

How many of you have put your life on the line for these freedoms? (Don't answer unless you have served or are serving in the Armed forces or a law enforcement agent).

After two tours in Iraq and one in Just Cause (Panama) I have lost many.

We need something, if not the patriot act then what? Don't complain, give us a solution.

[Dan from Michigan]

I'll wait till it's introduced before making comments about it.

That said, the unPAtriot Act we currently have needs to sunset and go the way of the ugly gun ban.

[Travis McGee]

Comrade, if you're not hiding anything up there, you shouldn't mind a government procto exam.

[joesnuffy]

Only Republicans could get this stuff passed...if the dems tried it...conservatives would never go along with it...

There is only one man in this nation who can deliver up conservatives to the New World Order
and have them ask for more of the same....

imo