Posted on 12/05/2004 6:31:33 AM PST by rdb3
Interesting take. Of course, the root cause of the problem is "blue state philosophy", as usual.
Sounds like a bunch of snotnosed ,crybaby ,spoiled brat, manufactured, cookie cutter type,pop stars to me.You'll never hear about the good music out ther,it gets ignored.MTV and VH1 won't have nothing to do with anyone who has talent.
Methinks I'll just stick to jazz
My niece says I'm stuck in the sevenies.With the crap they crank out these days,maybe that's not such a bad thing.
It's actually a pretty good article. I listen to the new rock bands listed and I never really knew there was such a common denominator.
Thought this might interest you.
Schadenfreude is good!!!
Often it doesn't. My older Grandaughters started listening to Christian rock music as an alternative to MTV and hip-hop. They were tired of feeling opressed by the music and lyrics. I just smiled (Thank You, Jesus!).
[Short Dawg]
You say how can I make these dirty raps
Number one albums, back to back
If it was 1950, do you think I sell, no
They probably throw me straight to jail
I tell you life just ain't what it used to be
Between you and me, exclusively
Everybody's changed, were losing our minds
The government won't help, cause they refuse to find
A solution to the problems of the inner streets
Its a shame what our kids are beginning to be
Pregnant teenagers, young gun slangers
There ain't no love, there ain't nothin but anger
We don't go to church and can't pray in school
Listen real close to what I'm sayin fool
I know kids who went to school together
Now they all grown up, tryin to kill each other
Shootouts on the playground is where it goes down
But back in the day, we rode the merry-go-round
And some little kid might shoot me tonight
And I always used to wonder what the future be like
Curse words on the tv and radio
You wanna see sex, turn it on HBO
Late at night, you see women freak women
Sex sells, that's why I keep pimpin
I grew up in the 70s', somethin like Crooklyn
But I was in Cali not Brooklyn
I could tell the whole world was going crazy
But it really didn't happen til the 80s'
With freebasin and smokin crack
A lotta people learned not to joke with that
Streets flooded, with homeless folks
Whole families, lives gone up in smoke
We're all related to a crackhead
Sometimes I wake up in the mornin and wanna go back to bed
Layin these thinkin bout things
About the way life change
How women used to like to wear decent clothes
Now they curse like men and dress like hoes
You supposed to be a virgin til you marry
But teenage girls find it normal to carry a baby
Babies havin babies
Rappers like me always disrespectin ladies
Wonder why its like that, well so do I
But I just turn my back and then I go get high
Cause I get paid real good to talk bad about a bitch
And you bought it, so don't be mad I got rich
Ask your grandparents, is life the same
Man thangs change
Chorus
I found the article to be fair, which is why I posted it. Now let's see who here actually reads the whole thing.
I think it's just that kids will go out and push out against the limits --- if the limits are close in they push the limits close in, if the limits are way out there then they have to go way out there to push out against them. If there are no limits --- then they keep going and going looking for something to push against.
Not me. 8^)
I like Seether.
Very interesting article.. thanks for posting!
The damage inflicted upon this generation by 50% divorce rates and absent fathers is going to be catastrophic and I dont think we have seen the worst yet.
I just kind of skimmed the rap section. Can't stand rap.
I read the whole thing and thought it was a very insightful analysis.
I never realized that there was a psychological connection between grunge and rap. But it makes a lot of sense.
Precisely why I've liked jazz since the 60's.....never liked rock very much
Fascinating article. The difficulty is that it posits no way for society to break free of the vicious cycle going on here. Strict parents in the 50s bred children who rebelled by totally indulging their every whim regardless of the cost to others. This generation in turn created a bitter one with children who felt deprived of any kind of childhood in the classical sense. Yet, like their parents, it seems the rap generation is determined to live their ideal childhoods in adulthood while inflicting the same pain on their children that they rage about in their music. I have seen no indication that rappers and others want to become responsible adults themselves.
The baby boomers wanted a society where everything was okay and guilt was non-existent. To that end, they created myths to perpetuate their "right" to live their lifestyles without guilt--i.e., abortion hurts no one, divorce is constructive, indulgence is love, and neglect is empowering. What I see now is that the next generation is truly lacking in guilt or a sense of responsibility for their own actions. The baby boomers had to lie constantly to avoid guilt. The new generation thinks it is entitled to hate their parents and neglect their own children and have no problems, apparently, with guilt (except maybe in the incoherent way that suicide seems to indicate).
So how do we break out of the cycle? I don't think anything less than a major cultural revolution will do it. We need to do everything we can to give our children and our children's children genuine childhoods during their childhood years so they won't spend the rest of their lives seeking the lost childhood. This would involve some major discussions of what exactly is a childhood? Is it strict discipline? Is it some indulgence, some discipline? Is it parents there for the kids regardless of how strong the marriage, in other words, the dreaded "staying together for the kids"? Is it stopping the tendency of parents to "educate" their kids by laying on them adult worries such as financial stresses, strained marriages and so forth? Is it stopping the sexualization of children? There are so many factors in how childhood has been robbed and perverted that it is a daunting task to even begin.
This article touches on a lot of it and yet it is a big step beyond to try to stop the pain from perpetuating itself through the generations, esecially when it means facing the painful answers that may affect our own self-indulgence. May we have the courage to do so.
While I agree with you, at the same time I am tired of soft Americans who can't suck it up in the face of adversity. There are plenty of people in the world facing war, disease, true poverty (not the pseudopoverty that exists in this country), and other things. Most of them do not slide into a life of hedonism and degradation. None of us will leave this Earth unscathed and we all make our own decisions about the direction our lives will take.
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