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Report on cocaine, heroin prices suggests U.S. is losing war on drugs
Contra Costa Times ^ | Decmber 1, 2004 | Pablo Bachelet

Posted on 12/04/2004 7:03:28 PM PST by cryptical

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To: ApesForEvolution
Insanity (defn.): "Repeatedly doing the same things and expecting different results..."

That's the quote I had in mind!
61 posted on 12/04/2004 8:27:16 PM PST by clyde asbury (Right? Right.)
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To: clyde asbury

I'm here just for you clyde... ;)

G'night all!


62 posted on 12/04/2004 8:29:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Only if I get to pick what house I am assigned to. I must say I am a pretty good cook and quite handy around the house. NFL Sunday ticket is a must.


63 posted on 12/04/2004 8:29:11 PM PST by Dave278
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To: Dave278

Bwahahahahaha!

You're getting a house full of Muhammadan adherents...sorry.


64 posted on 12/04/2004 8:30:17 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: ApesForEvolution
I've seen it all (and used to do enough) to know it's all about peace...God's kind.
Fraudulent highs aren't the same as His high...

Amen brother!

65 posted on 12/04/2004 8:30:55 PM PST by Jorge
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To: cryptical

Yeah, pro-pothead grubs suggest every chance they get that US is losing war on drugs because they want to use it as propaganda to convince a person or two to legalize their illegal habits. Screw em. Long live the Law.


66 posted on 12/04/2004 8:32:05 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

That would just about be par for the course. Murphy of "Murphy's law" is my life long partner.


67 posted on 12/04/2004 8:33:16 PM PST by Dave278
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To: ApesForEvolution
I'm here just for you clyde... ;)

G'night all!


My thoughts exactly, AFE. Time for me to shoot up. :)

Good night.
68 posted on 12/04/2004 8:33:26 PM PST by clyde asbury (Right? Right.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Sorry, but you are wrong. Prohibition did not decrease the rate of drinking, not after the first few months or so. People who never thought of drinking before took it up because it became fashionable to do so and to rub shoulders with gangsters.After prohibition, the reasons for the heavy drinking that went on before were gone, I.E.: Men having to work 12 to 14 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week. When they got off work, all they wanted to do was get drunk and drowned out their sorry lives. Drugs were legal at about the turn of the century( 19th to 20th), cocaine was used in Coca-Cola, hence it's name. Cocaine-cola...After the drug was outlawed they changed to caffeine. People who want to use drugs will do so, just as people who want to drink will do so, prohibition or not, legal or not. Smart people will not do so to excess in the case of alchohol and will not do so at all in the case of dangerous drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


69 posted on 12/04/2004 8:36:20 PM PST by calex59
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Once it is taxed then the gov't stakes a claim in it's liability.

Then your gov't is responsible for another bunch of addiction programs.

This is Libertarian panacea.

I went to some of these programs and I can tell you that they did very little to help me. They tell you that you are a victim, and that is a bunch of crap.

70 posted on 12/04/2004 8:36:30 PM PST by perfect stranger (Godel, Escher and Bach. The Eternal Golden Braid)
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To: clyde asbury

I have read that during the height of prohibition, there were 100,000 "Speak Easys" in New York City alone, where one could purchase some form of alcohol.


71 posted on 12/04/2004 8:40:12 PM PST by TheLion
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To: SteveMcKing
"What civil liberties?"

Oh, little things like property rights and the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Under the WOD now our property itself can be deemed guilty and can legally be stolen from us by the government. Then there's the prevalence of the "no knock warrant. There is a legitimate place in police work for such tactics, but it should be reserved for apprehending the most dangerous felons. Outside of North Korea or Cuba they should not be standard practice.

72 posted on 12/04/2004 8:40:41 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: cryptical
"the street price of 2 grams of cocaine averaged $106 in the first half of 2003"

Can someone please explain to me how many 'hits' or 'units' of cocaine is in 2 grams?

Where I live (VA) a decent bottle of wine costs less than $5.

73 posted on 12/04/2004 8:44:36 PM PST by japaneseghost
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To: Jorge; Chieftain

Thank you for your insightful response. This is not as simple or black & white an issue as I may seem to be saying.
I too have seen the devastaion of alchol and drugs. While drug abuse is usully a faster slide and often more destructive in the short term than ETOH....alcohol is no easy way to self-destruct.

My perspective is that the WOD has just not worked to stem the tide of despair and along the way has created more problems. People will self destruct, and while there needs to be protections for society, my emphasis would be on prevention, early intervention and sufficient treatment available. Having said that, legal pressue has helped many an addict enter the path to recovery, but usually not while they are imprisoned.


74 posted on 12/04/2004 8:47:26 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Move the UN to Paris...NOW!!!)
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These folks are the best in the biz, IOHO, that we've run across, in recovery services. We place a lot of former 'burn-outs' that got high the ways God didn't intend - and found peace plus a plan with a little help. We only have time for effective, and these guys sure seem to be. Thanks to God and them, "some of the worst are now running first"...

Ok, g'night now...
Leading You Down The Road To Recovery...
75 posted on 12/04/2004 8:48:55 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
My perspective is that the WOD has just not worked to stem the tide of despair and along the way has created more problems.

With all due respect I have to disagree.

When I moved to South Beach (Miami) several years ago it was infested with crack heads.
You couldn't go out without seeing them fighting and arguing up and down the streets, windows smashed out of cars, having guns pulled on you (I had guns pointed at me more than once down there).

The only way this mess was cleaned up was the WOD and the police repeated arresting people, till they finally moved away.

South Beach is now a far better place to live.

76 posted on 12/04/2004 8:57:44 PM PST by Jorge
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To: elmer fudd

I've never experienced any of that, nor know anyone who has. I've heard of it happening, and it's usually to a decrepit drug user or a dealer whose entire life is being a violent gangster thug.


77 posted on 12/04/2004 8:59:15 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: CzarNicky

"I blame WalMart for these low low prices."

I work in law enforcement and you are correct in your statement. I believe you were making a joke but actually you told the truth.

It really is Walmart's low prices on Meth chemicals that has driven down the price of Coke and Horse.

Supply and demand is the reason the price is down. The supply outweighs the demand at this time and it may never recoup its lead. We are fighting meth use in Tennessee and it is like nothing you have ever seen, the homes the children and the lives going down the drain.

You ain't seen nothing yet. It's coming soon to an area near you................Prosouth


78 posted on 12/04/2004 8:59:36 PM PST by PROSOUTH (Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
So you propose the Govt. set up a huge bureaucracy to handout free drugs??????. Because what corporation or business in their right mind would actually be stupid enough to market legal Heroin, and Crack? It's called LIABILITY, by the way ever hear of the Tobacco lawsuits??....Remember that Libertarian party motto; "GIVE ME LIBRIUM OR GIVE ME METH!"
79 posted on 12/04/2004 9:02:23 PM PST by BOOTSTICK (MEET ME IN KANSAS CITY)
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To: cryptical
The Washington Office on Latin America, which usually is critical of U.S. policies in Latin America, said the low prices called into question the effectiveness of the two-decade U.S. war on drugs. A White House official said the numbers were old and didn't reflect recent efforts in Colombia to curb drug cultivation.

The Washington Office on Latin America is a leftist lobby group that was founded by admirers of Castro. They don't like America and they don't like our drug laws.

80 posted on 12/04/2004 9:03:16 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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