Shocking Questions: Yes, There Are Answers (Warning: graphic sexual content)

BreakPoint with Chuck Colson ^ | December 3, 2004 | Chuck Colson

[Mr. Silverback]

Once we depart from Scripture as our basis for right/wrong, we can only wait until someone with stronger reasoning powers comes along to defeat our arguments.

Reasoning from Scripture and reasoning from the environment we live in just gives us more ammo, when we use them in concert. See post 25.

[F16Fighter]

Excellent post, MAP.

[Mr. Silverback]

There used to be laws against homosexual practice. In fact, the recent Lawrence vs. Texas Supreme Court decision struck down just such a law.

If you can find a movie called The New Centurions with stacy Keach and George C. scott, you can even see how those laws, and enforcement of them, used to work in California.

[Mr. Silverback]

Just curious.

[ScottM1968]

I believe that you mean "Rich Mullins".

[Mr. Silverback]

The very fact that we are having this discussion belies that thesis.

Not really.

There is an objective, concrete standard for the meter, backed up by a metal rod in Paris. If a group started claiming that a meter is 12 inches long, that wouldn't change the objective measure.

[Mr. Silverback]

On the contrary, Reason can often be made a whore of Man. Faith cannot.

See post 47. If you still think I'm off, come back to me.

[ScottM1968]

Jesus "fulfilled" the Law.

What part of the Ten Commandments are now invalidated?

[MHGinTN]

The Ten Commandments define God's nature, not man's. None of His nature is invalid or invalidated with the coming of Jesus to live amongst us and redeem us from our fallen state.

[F16Fighter]

"Reason can often be made a whore of Man. Faith cannot."

That an IronJack original?

Strong stuff.

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

To me, in the long-run, after many years of the "gay" lifestyle, these folks are not a happy lot. That's proof enough for me that it is not God's will.

I've long thought the same thing. That which makes us ugly from the inside out cannot be of God's will.

[ScottM1968]

The Ten Commandments also define our behavior toward God are are Commandments to us, not Him.

For instance, when God says, "Thou shall not commit adultery", He is talking to "Thou".

We better understand Him through what we are commanded to do. They do not directly tell us who He is but what He stands for and demands His creation abide by.

Even when He says we are to have no other gods before Him, it does not tell us who He is per se.

I never stated that God's nature was invalidated in any way because Christ lived on Earth. I merely stated that the "Law" is, in its simplest form, still valid.

But that "Law" need not even be with a faith as Abraham's. Because no one needs the Ten Commandments when you already love God with all your heart as he did. This is in part how Christ could give the "greatest" laws and not suggest the Ten Commandments were equal in necessity.

[Indie]

Why are homosexual acts wrong? I’m a Christian and believe in the Bible, but this part always stumps me.”

This moron believes in a Bible she's obviously never read.

[Mr. Silverback]

If a child was adopted by lets say, two gay men, or two lesbian women, am i right in saying that they wouldn't be affected as much as everyone says that children will be, becasue to them, that will be their natural environment, their home and place of comfort, there is no proof that those kids will also turn out to be homosexuals, and they are just as likely to live normal lives like heterosexuals, correct?

Interesting question. I would say that no one has collected enough data to make good conclusions about the effect of homosexual parentage on children, especially in those children's eventual sexual choices. Being raised by two openly gay parents is a very recent social phenomenon, and the sample groups would be small in any case.

Secondly, if one is going to maintain that gay parentage is equivalent to heterosexual parentage, one must then say that neither mothers nor fathers are of any real, particular value. Of what value is motherhood if the mother can simply be replaced by a man? Of what value is fatherhood if the father can simply be replaced by a second woman?

Humans are not aftermarket parts that can be slapped into the same slot the original was intended to occupy. Children need a mother and a father, and short-changing them will never be right, no matter how we rationalize it.

And by the way, my lovely nursing student wife informs me that one of the predictors for anti-social disorder is not having a parent of each sex. Now, they aren't only discussing homosexual parents in that conclusion, but it is an indicator. The relational styles of the two genders work in concert to bring a child to a healthy maturity.

[ScottM1968]

That is not necessarily wrong at all, Indie.

We come to our faith as a "baby" at first. I am not surprised nor bothered that an early teen hasn't read the whole Bible yet believe in God.

Perhaps your problem is that you mistake belief in God and Christ with belief in only previously-read Scripture. One can believe in God, Christ, and the validity of Scripture without having completely read the Bible.

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

In homosexual acts, you’re seeking union with someone who is only your own mirror image...

More accurate to say they're seeking someone that is the exact opposite of themselves. Is that the same thing as what he is saying? These guys are trying to cannibalize qualities from others that they do not see in themselves...

[Mr. Silverback]

As it happens, He didn't, but it's circular to say that it's ungodly to be different from what God wants us to be.

Is it circular to say it's Un-American to censor political speech and establish a state religion?

[PGalt]

Mentally defaulting on the perpetuation of self, is an anti-life, dirt-road, cul-de-sac.