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Stoned to death... why Europe is starting to lose its faith in Islam
The Times online ^ | 04 December 2004 | Charles, Bremner

Posted on 12/03/2004 4:42:35 PM PST by Lorianne

Islamic fundamentalism is causing a 'clash of civilisations' between liberal democracies and Muslims

DAYS before she was due to be married, Ghofrane Haddaoui, 23, refused the advances of a teenage boy and paid with her life. Lured to waste ground near her home in Marseilles, the Tunisian-born Frenchwoman was stoned to death, her skull smashed by rocks hurled by at least two young men, according to police. Although the circumstances of the murder are not clear, the horrific “lapidation” of the young Muslim stoked a French belief that the country can no longer tolerate the excesses of an alien culture in its midst.

A few days ago, pop celebrities joined 2,000 people in a march through Marseilles denouncing violence against women, particularly in the immigrant-dominated housing estates. The protest against Islamic “obscurantism” and the “fundamentalism that imprisons women” was led by a group of Muslim women who call themselves Ni Putes ni Soumises (Neither Whores nor Submissive).

The movement, which emerged three years ago to defend Muslim women, is spawning similar groups across Europe, supported by a mainstream opinion that has recently abandoned political correctness and wants to halt the inroads of Islam.

From Norway to Sicily, governments, politicians and the media are laying aside their doctrines of diversity and insisting that “Islamism”, as the French call the fundamentalist form that pervades the housing estates, is incompatible with Europe’s liberal values.

The shift is not just a reaction to exceptional violence such as the Madrid train bombings, or the murder of Theo van Gogh, the anti-Islamic Dutch film-maker, by a Dutch-Moroccan. It stems from a belief that more muscular methods are needed to integrate Europe’s 13-million strong Muslim community and to combat creeds that breed extremists and ultimately, terrorism. With mixed results, governments are trying to quell the scourge by co- opting Muslim leaders to promote a moderate European Islam.

In Germany, with its three million — mainly Turkish — Muslims, and France, with its five million of mainly North African descent, television viewers were shocked when local young Muslims approved of Van Gogh’s murder. “If you insult Islam, you have to pay,” was a typical response.

“The notion of multiculturalism has fallen apart,” said Angela Merkel, leader of Germany’s Christian Democrat opposition. “Anyone coming here must respect our constitution and tolerate our Western and Christian roots.” Italy’s traditional tolerance towards immigrants has been eroded by fear of Islamism. An Ipsos poll in September showed that 48 per cent of Italians believed that a “clash of civilisations” between Islam and the West was under way and that Islam was “a religion more fanatical than any other”.

Similar views can be heard across traditionally tolerant Scandinavia — and no longer just from the populist rightwing party’s such as Pia Kjaersgaard’s People’s Party in Denmark. The centre-right Government of Anders Fogh Rasmussen, has equipped Denmark with Europe’s toughest curbs on immigration, largely aimed at people from Muslim countries. In Sweden, where anti-Muslim feeling is running high and mosques have been burnt, schools have been authorised to ban pupils who wear full Islamic head-cover, although the measure comes nowhere near France’s new ban on the hijab in all state schools.

In Spain, with a rapidly rising population of nearly a million Muslims, the backlash has been less visible despite the bombings, but thousands demonstrated in Seville this week against plans to build a mosque in the city centre. The Government has also won approval by sending 500 extra police to monitor preachers and Muslim associations.

Police across the EU are closely watching prayer meetings in makeshift mosques in cities and housing estates, and media accounts of the jihadist, anti-Western and anti-semitic doctrines of the imams are fuelling public anger. In Germany, pressure is growing for sermons to be preached in German rather than Turkish or Arabic. Hidden TV cameras recently broadcast an imam in a Berlin mosque telling worshippers that “Germans can only expect to rot in the fires of hell because they are nonbelievers”.

The debate over the limits to free speech is loudest in France, which now acknowledges the failure of its “republican” approach to integration whereby immigrants were supposed to blend harmoniously into society and not exist in separate communities.

Dominique de Villepin, the Interior Minister, is deporting foreign imams who support wife-beating and other uncivilised practices. This week the Government moved to ban a Lebanon-based television channel for anti-semitic broadcasting. The left wing, which long shunned criticism of Islam as the stock-in-trade of Jean-Marie le Pen, the far-Right leader, now denounces the “totalitarian”, anti-feminist, antisemitic doctrines of the fundamentalists. Jacques Julliard, a leading left-wing commentator, said the Left’s longstanding tolerance had been used as “an agent for the penetration of Islamic intolerance”.

Some on the Left have also taken strong exception to the concept of “Islamophobia”, a supposed sin defined by EU anti-racism watchdogs as akin to anti-Semitism.

The French consensus was symbolised by the 80 per cent public support for the head-scarf ban, which started with little trouble in September. While many Muslims felt stigmatised, the Government took comfort from the approval of the ban by a substantial minority of the 10 per cent of the population that is of immigrant origin.

Among them is Fadela Amara, a Muslim town councillor from Clermond Ferrand, who heads the Ni Putes, Ni Soumises movement. “The veil is an instrument of oppression that is imposed by the green fascists,” she says. Mme Amara, who led the Marseilles march, advocates an “open Islam, an Islam of French culture a bit Gallic around the edges”. This is also the aim of the state, which two years ago created a national Muslim Council to promote moderate mainstream Islam. The council was set up by Nicolas Sarkozy, the then Interior Minister, who now heads the UMP, President Chirac’s centre-right party.

M Sarkozy has just caused a stir by going a stage further, proposing that France’s rigorously secular state fund the building of mosques. “Whether I like it or not, Islam is the second biggest religion in France. So you have to integrate it by making it more French,” he said. To general dismay, however, the national council is coming increasingly under the effective control of radicals.

Reluctantly, some intellectuals have lately concluded that the model for Europe should be the US. On Tuesday a writer for Libération, the French left-wing daily, noted that immigrants in the US threw themselves into “the American dream” and prospered. “There is no French, Dutch or other European dream,” she noted. “You emigrate here to escape poverty and nothing more."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: anavyvet; cultureclash; europe; europeanmuslims; honorkillings; islam; multiculturalism; muslimwomen; wakeup
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1 posted on 12/03/2004 4:42:35 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Don't you just quick learners.


2 posted on 12/03/2004 4:45:01 PM PST by fritzz (Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers)
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To: Lorianne

Why does anyone have faith in Islam?


3 posted on 12/03/2004 4:47:28 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: Lorianne

..."...no longer tolerate the excesses of an alien culture in its midst."...

Islam is NOT an "alien culture". Islam is the perfect synthesis of "evil" in all of 'evil's manifestations throughout the history of mankind.

Any evil deed finds a "friend" in Islam.


4 posted on 12/03/2004 4:47:33 PM PST by jolie560
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To: Lorianne

Too late for Europe. Many European capitols now look more Middle Eastern than they do Caucasian.


5 posted on 12/03/2004 4:47:53 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: fritzz
Reluctantly, some intellectuals have lately concluded that the model for Europe should be the US.

The end is near...the end is near...run for your lives!

6 posted on 12/03/2004 4:48:23 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Lorianne

Once again, Americans have common sense, while the backward Euro-weenies have to practically destroy themselves before they realize what we did a long time ago. Political correctness kills.


7 posted on 12/03/2004 4:48:31 PM PST by TheRatHunter
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To: fritzz

Anyone who has observed pathogenic cultures in a petri dish knows the true nature of islam.


8 posted on 12/03/2004 4:48:39 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: weenie

Yes, did the magnetic poles switch overnight or what?


9 posted on 12/03/2004 4:49:45 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Reluctantly, some intellectuals have lately concluded that the model for Europe should be the US. On Tuesday a writer for Libération, the French left-wing daily, noted that immigrants in the US threw themselves into “the American dream” and prospered. “There is no French, Dutch or other European dream,” she noted. “You emigrate here to escape poverty and nothing more."

Take that, Democraps. Your precious European Union is starting to see us as a role model!
10 posted on 12/03/2004 4:50:08 PM PST by TheRatHunter
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To: Lorianne

Europe has not learned from their past.


11 posted on 12/03/2004 4:50:11 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Lorianne
Re #1

We are French. We should tolerate such a horror. Otherwise, we are no better than (gasp!) Americans. {/sarcasm}

12 posted on 12/03/2004 4:50:11 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: jolie560
Any evil deed finds a "friend" "fiend" in Islam.
13 posted on 12/03/2004 4:50:15 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Lorianne
Too late for Old Europe. They have a civil war in the making and can't seem to see it coming thru their rose colored glasses.

Beirut-like street scenes are my prediction for Paris by the end of the decade.
14 posted on 12/03/2004 4:51:18 PM PST by konaice
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To: Lorianne
Too bad the Euro weenies embraced gun control. Now they have no recourse.

The cops can't protect them. The politicians don't have the testicular fortitude to protect them. Their no judgmentalism no guns no balls philosophy will do them in.

15 posted on 12/03/2004 4:51:26 PM PST by Lizavetta (Modern liberalism: Where everyone must look different but think the same.)
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To: Lorianne

"...........multiculturalism has fallen apart,”

it is a myth.....it foes not exist on the face of this earth.


16 posted on 12/03/2004 4:51:41 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Lorianne

Actually they did switch about a month ago...really. Polar realignment or the like.


17 posted on 12/03/2004 4:52:06 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: All

The only moderate islam is no islam.


18 posted on 12/03/2004 4:52:41 PM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither-)
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To: Lorianne

Too Little, TOO LATE!

Europe will soon be either Islamic or there will be a civil war across Europe where Islam fights to gain control of the continent.


19 posted on 12/03/2004 4:52:43 PM PST by GaryMontana (The future belongs to the bold, not the cowards who hide under rags (ragheads)!)
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To: fritzz

it's mostly the males
take all the euro-muslim males and put them on ships
take them out into the mid Atlantic and make them
walk-the-plank
End of problem.


20 posted on 12/03/2004 4:53:20 PM PST by injin
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