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To: AreaMan
What do you or your wife consider a "hardline religous right social agenda?"

Just a few examples: pushing for prayer in schools, fights to include the teaching of creationism in public schools, the ten commandments in schools and courthouses, increased obscenity prosecutions and (in her case, but not mine) attempts to outlaw abortion.

What do you consider an adequate level of social conservatism then?

For one, I agree that the secular left has gone too far in their attempts to drive religion out of the public sphere. Though I support keeping government out of religion, that does not mean that our society needs to be made religion-free. Similarly, I think social conservatives are dead on when they argue that schools have become socialist re-education camps.

Furthermore, I'm a "soft" opponent of gay marriage- I do not want to see gay marriage forced upon us by the courts, but I think states should be allowed to decide the issue for themselves (so long as other states can opt to ignore gay marriages from states that do allow it).

If I've missed any issues on the social conservative agenda, I'd be happy to comment on them if you bring them up.

55 posted on 12/03/2004 11:09:10 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Modernman
If I've missed any issues on the social conservative agenda, I'd be happy to comment on them if you bring them up.

No, that was I was looking for. As in your example, abortion is an issue for your wife but not as much for you.

...pushing for prayer in schools

While it may be an issue for some, I think most Christians (or the religious right) would like prayer to be ALLOWED in school not necessarily to have it mandated.

fights to include the teaching of creationism in public schools,

Intelligent design is what I think you are referring to. Macro-Evolution is full of holes and cannot explain away irreducible complexity and other problems. Not allowing for an alternate theory sounds a bit like what the church did to poor Galileo.

...increased obscenity prosecutions

If there were no consequence to having this kind of material or communication, i.e. obscenity, then I would agree with you. But the society EVERYONE has to live in is coarsened by a regular diet of vulgarity (sexual or otherwise) that is passed off as normal behavior.
The most distressing part of this for me is that there is nothing INHERENTLY vulgar about sex or violence when they are in their proper context. Obscenity is when they are used for entertainment outside of that context.

Oh well, I've vented long enough. I appreciate your thoughts on this issue though.

71 posted on 12/03/2004 11:33:43 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: Modernman
Furthermore, I'm a "soft" opponent of gay marriage- I do not want to see gay marriage forced upon us by the courts, but I think states should be allowed to decide the issue for themselves (so long as other states can opt to ignore gay marriages from states that do allow it).

How do you propose that these gays that are married file their federal taxes?

Do they get the married tax rates?

It seems that these issues are always more complicated when looked at in depth. The libs also always seem to go for the money.

Is it okay for a state to determine the status of gays (married or not) and send the bill to Washington for all to pay?
86 posted on 12/03/2004 11:58:42 AM PST by WhatHappenedtoAmerica
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To: Modernman
Just a few examples: pushing for prayer in schools, fights to include the teaching of creationism in public schools, the ten commandments in schools and courthouses, increased obscenity prosecutions and (in her case, but not mine) attempts to outlaw abortion.

I'm a hardliner on abortion. It's not as much a religious issue to be but actually a libertarian one (governing use of force by one being over another). That said, I don't see a ban on it, and the only way I expect to see it gone completely is by a social movement where it phases out.

As for the 10 commandments and prayer in schools - I don't believe they should be forced on anyone, but on the same note I have a big problem with the censorers on this as well.

Furthermore, I'm a "soft" opponent of gay marriage- I do not want to see gay marriage forced upon us by the courts, but I think states should be allowed to decide the issue for themselves (so long as other states can opt to ignore gay marriages from states that do allow it).

Agree 100% there, as well as the "indecency" prosecutions.

234 posted on 12/03/2004 7:17:00 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: Modernman

Shouldn't you be over on the democrat's board?


267 posted on 12/03/2004 11:02:37 PM PST by Recall
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