Dutch Doctors Want Guidelines on Euthanasia After Hospital Kills Newborns

LifeNews.com ^ | December 2, 2004 | Steven Ertelt

[TaxRelief]

It won't take long for the parents to lose their voice in this decision.

Correct. It will eventually be based on an unemotional, cost-burden/benefit ratio. For example:

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Form T1: Termination Evaluation

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Patient life expectancy:	63 years
Cost to preserve life at adequate levels :	10K/yr * 63 yrs (630,000)
Expected productivity of patient :	1
Cost Benefit Ratio* :	630,000 : 1
Termination status :	1 (Immediate termination)

*Cost benefit ratio exceeding 4 requires immediate termination

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We already know the value THEY place on human life...

[Melas]

Define "take them down."

[Admin Moderator]

No profanity please.

[TaxRelief]

How do I gather up the words I need to tell you just what a disabled child is?

A disabled child is the essence of what Christ teaches. Their love is pure, honest, without boundaries and innocent. Their smiles truly radiate from their souls.

Honesty and truth are what they are, they know no other way. They are incorruptible. They see life as we are meant too but we cannot.

Having them around you, makes you a better person because they give off a light that warms whomever is around.

Raising a disabled child cannot easily be put into words. It must be lived. To see them fall and want to rush over and sweep them up in your arms and comfort them as you would any other child but can't, not everytime. You must stand back and encourage them to pick themselves up. They look at you as though you have betrayed them but you know in your heart this is something they must learn to do on their own.

Great points, but FWIW the personal attack and posting in the last paragraph kinda defeat the message.

[TaxRelief]

posting = posturing

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"Why do all disagreements both left and right immediately get into charges of Nazism".

That's a rhetorical question, right? Do you know anything about Hitler, and the first thing he did when he came to power?

Please tell me that was a rhetorical question.

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I couldn't help myself. The more you try and explain something to a fascist it starts to dawn on you that you may as well be talking to a fence post.

They live in a perpetual utopia...disabled need not apply to their world.

The world let Hitler slid on his euthanasia program and look where it led the world.

Before the likes of people like him can get to my child they will have to go through me...and I'm a fighter. I won't let them slid by.

[TaxRelief]

The more you try to explain something to a fill in the blank ... you may as well be talking to a fence post.

When a protagonist is talking to --versus with-- an opponent, the recipient loses his individual identity in the mind of the speaker, and it can become more difficult to persuade.

It is important to try to figure out the source of the other guy's perspective if there is going to be any hope of making a case. Doing things to turn-off the listener may feel good for the moment, but the long term cost is that he may deepen his entrenchment within his position.

FWIW...

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I tell you what. You try and understand your opponent. While you're busy doing that, I will be trying to crush them.

Fascist get no more free rides on the freedom of expression train. The line ends here.

I see black and white, you see gray. I see them trying to murder my child with their entrenchment. You want to analyze and psychoanalyze them. I want to crush them before it's open season on the disabled and infirm.

You go your route...I'll go mine.

[tutstar]

Maybe because it's the same philosophy which was embraced and carried out by the Nazis. Duh!

This philosophy was recently carried out in Britain against the wishes of the parents by sanction of the court.

[tutstar]

Uhhhh, actually it could be Michael and Terri Shiavo. Think America isn't close to it?

[Aquinasfan]

There is no God, morality is for us to figure out on our own.

LOL! Then why are you moralizing?

There's nothing funnier than a moralizing atheist.

[Aquinasfan]

I couldn't stand to watch one of them suffer from a painful ailment.

Oh, so your philosophy boils down to it's all about you.

[FBD]

>..."would like to know something about you so that I can better understand your views..."<

- xm177e2 appears to be a Nietsche follower, (a nihilist, I believe)


Nietsche quote: "God is Dead"

see post#12 :
xm177e2: >"There is no God, morality is for us to figure out on our own."<

My understanding is: In a nihilst's view, there is no higher law than mans; and since there is no God, no afterlife, than morality is all to be determined by whatever current societal opinion is.

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Sorry.

Murderers of children get to me every time.

Logic and civility seem to be forgotten momentarily in my righteous indignation.

[TaxRelief]

You try and understand your opponent.

Only to discover the chink in his flawed logic.

I see them trying to murder my child with their entrenchment. I see black and white, you see gray.

There is no denying that in this world, there is good and evil.

Unfortunately crushing them won't stop the next wave of evildoers, BUT bringing people "into the light" helps tip the scale in our favor. (Majority doesn't really rule; only a super-majority can stop the evil ones in their path.)

[TaxRelief]

<* chuckle *>

[nmh]

I'd bet these same people are appalled at Hitler.

YET they do the same thing - murder those that in their eyes are IMPERFECT - as if they are perfect.

SICK!

[TaxRelief]

Does the nihilist recognize the need for effective long term outcomes?