[sweetliberty]

"One goal of a recount would be to examine 93,000 ballots that were spoiled or discarded for other reasons. ``Without a recount, those won't get counted at all,'' Bobier said."

Obviously, these morons don't get that a spoiled ballot is one that is generally returned by the voter to be discarded and REPLACED WITH A NEW BALLOT! The spoiled ballots ARE NOT SUPPOSED to be counted! Dumb*sses. These puds think both the spoiled ballots AND the good ballots of the same voter should be counted.

[lavrenti]

These are not "spoiled" ballots. They are undervotes, ballots that did not have a vote for President. In a recount, they will be checked to see if there is a discernable vote.

They were inspected, but not counted, in the canvassing process. Obviously, the 88 boards already have an idea of what is on them. Also, Ohio has clear and uniform standards defining what constitutes a "vote" on one of these ballots.

What the GLIBS have done is abuse the system and waste time. Even Democrats on many of these county boards have complained to the press that this recount is "pointless".

As for the machines, whatever. They've already passed in the NH recount and no problems were found in Florida.

The irony is that a large number of these punchcard "undervotes" were in counties Bush won.