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To: Rytwyng

So ,as the bible says, he without the first sin throw the stone. You may chose if you think this person is unworthy, but then that is the fundamental reason why the minister and many blacks are saying repubicans are racist and not christians.
You have statistically decided that most problems in the black community are a result of fornication and you should not pay. But my question was not about fornicating mothers but a fatherless child. Also remember that many of the mothers that currently have children by black men are not just black women. The black community is seeing a great many white women that have "fornicated" as well.
I agree that the money should not be forced from you by the government. But if you have the thought process that you just indicated, how will you know when you are helping a person justifiablly in need or helping pay for someones sins (which I have never read about in my bible). In other words, what's to stop people like you from saying, well there is too much fornication in the black community so I'm not giving anymore money to charities that help them?


52 posted on 12/01/2004 9:10:08 AM PST by rave123
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To: rave123
You've so twisted what I said, I hardly know where to begin. But I'll try.

You may chose if you think this person is unworthy, but then that is the fundamental reason why the minister and many blacks are saying repubicans are racist and not christians.

Racist? How? I don't advocate subsidizing white welfare fornicators either but the cold cruel undeniable truth is that it's a much bigger problem in the black community. And, more germane to this thread, black "ministers" use our unwillingness to subsidize sin, as a dishonest excuse to call us "anti-black".

You have statistically decided that most problems in the black community are a result of fornication

This is pretty well proven!!!!!!!!!!! ALL of the differences in social pathology (crime, addiction, educational failure, joblessness, promiscuity, homosexuality -- all much higher in the black commununity) are strongly influenced by whether there's a father in the home or not. Out-of-wedlock children of any race are much more likely to get caught up in these things. In fact, when statisticians control for the "father/no father" variable, there is NO difference between the black and white community. There's no invisible hand of continuing covert discrimination causing this, neither is it a legacy of of the oppressions of the past, nor is it genetic. It's an absence of fatherhood. So, yes, all of the black community's present-day social pathologies can be directly traced to the greater prevalence, in their community, of this one particular sin.

And as more and more whites stupidly follow the same path, they too will end up in the same mess -- God being no respecter of persons.

I would like nothing better than to see the black community achieve educational and economic parity with the rest of us but until they change their behavior that CANNOT happen, even if you tax us out of existence to try to raise enough welfare money to prevent it.

But my question was not about fornicating mothers but a fatherless child...what's to stop people like you from saying, well there is too much fornication in the black community so I'm not giving anymore money to charities that help them?

A widows is in an unchosen situation; she deserves our help. A fornicator's deprived children may also need help, BUT... one must be careful that one's assistance doesn't subsidize or encourage a continuance of the parent's behavior. This can only be done on an individually scrutinized basis, and if charity recipients were accountable to the giver for their behavior, the behavior would change in a hurry. That'll never happen in a government welfare system where the money a caseworker is disbursing isn't his own.

And yes, I've given plenty of money away (beyond my tithe) to various people in need, of various races. I have no problem supporting charities that help blacks or anyone else, provided that sin isn't subsidized.

I have to add: Welfare-state levels of taxation make it difficult for responsible parents to afford more than 1 or 2 children... yet the welfare mothers (fornicaters almost all) can crank out half a dozen or more and feed them at the responsible citizen's expense. What this amounts to is, that the "seed of the righteous", which in the Bible is supposed to be "blessed", instead ends up dwindling, while the wicked multiply at our expense. That just ain't right.

59 posted on 12/01/2004 10:39:29 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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