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To: Mojave Mark

If a woman had a child and its father died, should this child be helped? The black ministers are saying yes because the child is fatherless and this is scriptural. Many republicans say no because this is a handout.I've seen numerous posts on why blacks will not vote for a republican or why blacks say republicans are racist. And they are all answered by people with a limited view of the problem.
Now whether you agree or not this post answered many of the questions about why blacks view republicans as racists, why blacks will not vote republican, why blacks can say they are christians but will not vote for a republican etc. They believe that even though republicans scream they are christians they are not doing one of the fundamental things that the bible says you should do, help the legitimately poor. We on the other hand accuse them of not being christians when they vote for a person that agrees with abortions, but why tackle abortions when you believe that you can't get people to help the ones that are already here?


39 posted on 12/01/2004 8:33:40 AM PST by rave123
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To: rave123
They believe that even though republicans scream they are christians they are not doing one of the fundamental things that the bible says you should do, help the legitimately poor.

You make one of the fundamental errors so common these days. Forced charity is not true charity. Yes, the poor and downtrodden should be helped, but - and this is key - that is NOT a function of the government.

It is charity when you give of your substance of your own free will. It is not charity when the government seizes money from you, under threat of incarceration, and gives it to whomever they think needs it, regardless of your wishes.

44 posted on 12/01/2004 8:46:30 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: rave123
If a woman had a child and its father died, should this child be helped? The black ministers are saying yes because the child is fatherless and this is scriptural. Many republicans say no because this is a handout.

NO Republicans say this. NONE. NEVER. What Republicans say, is that the handout should not come FROM THE GOVERNMENT. That's a very important distinction, here in the world's most charitable country.

Oh, yeah, and most of the single-mother situations in the black community are self inflicted as a result of fornication -- not widowhood. Another important distinction that is often glossed over. Demanding the charitable privileges of widowhood be extended to fornicators, amounts to forcing the good citizens to subsidize other peoples' sin.

[blacks] believe that even though republicans scream they are christians they are not doing one of the fundamental things that the bible says you should do, help the legitimately poor

Huge amounts are donated in this country to help the poor, and an awful lot of that money comes from religious conservatives. Once again, many members of the black community are confused about this because we (a) rightly oppose government intervention, believing that we should be charitable with our own money instead of money coercively extracted from others, and (b) because we normally don't sound a trumpet in front of ourselves when we give alms, as the liberal welfarists do. (Verily, they have their reward: votes.)

47 posted on 12/01/2004 8:53:38 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: rave123

I do not think that the child should receive help from the government. Why? It's the responsibility of the church, that's why.

This is the reason why our society is in so much trouble. The New Deal and Great Society have done more social harm than good. You have to minister to the physical body that is true but it's just as wrong to give food and clothing but deny the spiritual needs.

Christians should never look to Ceasar to do their job for them.


91 posted on 12/01/2004 4:50:34 PM PST by kuma
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