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To: Alamo-Girl; All
Excellent, Alamo-Girl! Truly the Daniel prophecy regarding Alexander is amazing. But there it is. Thank you so much for the links to Justin Martyr and to Philo. Philo's insight that "the creation of the world was after the pattern of an intelligible world (Gen. 1:17) which served as its model" indicates a bridge between the Platonic Idea and the Israelite understanding of the creation. And Justin's observation that Plato was (unknowingly) speaking of Christ in Timaeus when Justin says "[Plato] placed him [i.e., the Demiurge] crosswise in the universe" indicates a bridge between the Platonic Idea and the Logos theory of the early Christian Church.

True ideas "evolve," it seems. Thank you so much for your excellent post and invaluable links. I expect to be spending some time with both Justin and Philo very soon!

92 posted on 12/04/2004 11:10:11 AM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Thank you for your reply!

I thought you might get a kick out of the excerpt from Philo of Alexandria because it sounds so close to Max Tegmark's Level IV Parallel Universe based on radical mathematical Platonism. For Lurkers:

Parallel Universes – Max Tegmark

According to the Aristotelian paradigm, physical reality is fundamental and mathematical language is merely a useful approximation. According to the Platonic paradigm, the mathematical structure is the true reality and observers perceive it imperfectly. In other words, the two paradigms disagree on which is more basic, the frog perspective of the observer or the bird perspective of the physical laws. The Aristotelian paradigm prefers the frog perspective, whereas the Platonic paradigm prefers the bird perspective....

A mathematical structure is an abstract, immutable entity existing outside of space and time. If history were a movie, the structure would correspond not to a single frame of it but to the entire videotape. Consider, for example, a world made up of pointlike particles moving around in three-dimensional space. In four-dimensional spacetime--the bird perspective--these particle trajectories resemble a tangle of spaghetti. If the frog sees a particle moving with constant velocity, the bird sees a straight strand of uncooked spaghetti. If the frog sees a pair of orbiting particles, the bird sees two spaghetti strands intertwined like a double helix. To the frog, the world is described by Newton's laws of motion and gravitation. To the bird, it is described by the geometry of the pasta--a mathematical structure. The frog itself is merely a thick bundle of pasta, whose highly complex intertwining corresponds to a cluster of particles that store and process information. Our universe is far more complicated than this example, and scientists do not yet know to what, if any, mathematical structure it corresponds.

The Platonic paradigm raises the question of why the universe is the way it is. To an Aristotelian, this is a meaningless question: the universe just is. But a Platonist cannot help but wonder why it could not have been different. If the universe is inherently mathematical, then why was only one of the many mathematical structures singled out to describe a universe? A fundamental asymmetry appears to be built into the very heart of reality.

As a way out of this conundrum, I have suggested that complete mathematical symmetry holds: that all mathematical structures exist physically as well. Every mathematical structure corresponds to a parallel universe. The elements of this multiverse do not reside in the same space but exist outside of space and time. Most of them are probably devoid of observers. This hypothesis can be viewed as a form of radical Platonism, asserting that the mathematical structures in Plato's realm of ideas or the "mindscape" of mathematician Rudy Rucker of San Jose State University exist in a physical sense. It is akin to what cosmologist John D. Barrow of the University of Cambridge refers to as "pi in the sky," what the late Harvard University philosopher Robert Nozick called the principle of fecundity and what the late Princeton philosopher David K. Lewis called modal realism. Level IV brings closure to the hierarchy of multiverses, because any self-consistent fundamental physical theory can be phrased as some kind of mathematical structure.

The other point I should have made last night (but my words were tangled beyond belief) is this: since Alexander the Greek was prophesied by Daniel and had so great an effect on the spreading of the Gospel by establishing a common Greek language - it ought not be surprising if God also chose to use Plato to prepare the Greek speaking (mostly Gentile) world, mentally, to receive the Gospel.

117 posted on 12/04/2004 9:48:55 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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