To: betty boop
Note that all rational numbers have a finite continued-fraction (qv) expansion. Quadratic irrationalities have periodic continued fractions. Other algebraic irrationalities and most transcendentals have non-repeating continued fraction expansions.
The decimal (or binary, etc.) expansions are not all there is.
105 posted on
12/04/2004 2:30:21 PM PST by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: Doctor Stochastic
The decimal (or binary, etc.) expansions are not all there is. Understood, Doc. But my own experience does not extend much beyond working in terms of the decimal and binary systems (and I'm still "binary light"). And so I am thankful for your discussion of finite-continued, periodic-continued, and non-repeating-continued fraction expansions. There is "no decimal in the binary system," and so I wondered what binary expansions describing, say, a transcendental would look like. I think you may have given me a clue.
To: Doctor Stochastic
It is beneath the dignity and interest-level of philosophers to discuss math. Or science. They will construct arguments for a fee.
125 posted on
12/05/2004 10:46:52 AM PST by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: Doctor Stochastic
"Most transcendentals?" How about all? There is a construction for a continued fraction expansion from a decimal or binary expansion (for positive reals: take integer part, reciprocate the fractional part, iterate). In any event the problems persist: there are uncountably many continued fractions expansions. Most of them are not only transcendental but can't be generated algorithmically and thus require an infinite amount of data to specify, etc. I'm thus not sure what the point of confusing the rhetorical and philosophical issue by moving from the familiar from school mathematics decimal and binary expansions to continued fractions was.
Sure you get rid of base-dependence, but if one treats 'terminating' decimal, binary, ternary, . . . expansions as ending in a repeated string of zeros, the set of numbers with repeating place-value expansions is base independent--the rationals--and the really intersting break, between numbers which admit place-value expansions generated by a Turing machine and those which don't is the same as the break between numbers which admit continued fractions expansions generated by a Turing machine and those which don't.
143 posted on
12/06/2004 6:24:32 AM PST by
The_Reader_David
(And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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