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To: Motherbear
I have biological and internationally adopted children. You are so, so wrong that we are tearing at the social fabric of their countries.

Those children are someones sons or daughters. Put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if 1/2 million American kids were sent to China every year for adoption. You don't think this would go unnnoticed and not cause any problems?

Just remember, these children weren't produced by an orphanage. They were produced by a mother and a father, who now do not have their children.

These kids are nothing but a drain on the social fabric of those countries, and even if those countries weren't already mired in poverty, no one would adopt them.

They don't need adoption, they need their parents.

They are still quite prejudiced against adoption.

Thanks for making my point.

And why do you think we are TRAITORS?

People who refuse to have their own children when they could are essentially traitors, because they refuse to provide for the continuation of this nation. I was not referring to adoption but to a refusal to give birth out of selfish hedonism.

But to make a larger point:

Nation, n. 1. large number of people of common descent, language, history, etc., usually inhabiting a territory bounded by defined limits and forming a society under one government ... (ME f. OF f. L natio -onis (nasci nat- be born)

Hordes of adopted children are not "growth" for our nation because they aren't of "common descent" with us; they are an extension of the nation where they came from onto our nation's land. Call it reverse western colonization if that makes it clearer.

137 posted on 12/01/2004 7:29:51 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Hordes of adopted children are not "growth" for our nation because they aren't of "common descent" with us

So being an American is somehow genetic? Why would you think that a kid raised by American parents in American society from a very young age cannot be an American simply because they were born in another country?

There is no gene for being an American.

150 posted on 12/01/2004 9:11:57 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; Motherbear
They don't need adoption, they need their parents.

What exactly is your implication, Herm? Did these kids wander away from home one day and find themselves in an orphanage? Isn't it absolutely more likely that the genetic donors of these children left their kids in an orphanage?

As for Jolie...for someone so high-profile and with so much money, I think she would set a better example by adopting a child here in America. She can well afford a team of lawyers to handle the red tape--something which most Americans seeking to adopt cannot afford to do. However, in her defense, I certainly do not recall reading about how she snuck into some poor, unsuspecting villager's hut one night and swiped a couple of kids.

166 posted on 12/01/2004 11:03:35 AM PST by grellis ("I went to a Basketball game and a Music Awards Ceremony broke out"--discipler)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Just remember, these children weren't produced by an orphanage. They were produced by a mother and a father, who now do not have their children.

If they were wanted by their parents they wouldn't be in an orphanage. Most children up for adoption in China are girls, who are considered undesirable in a culture that prefers sons. Because of the one-child policy, many infant girls are not put into adoption, but are rather abandoned to starve or so forth, so the couple can try again for a son. I have little sympathy for these mothers and fathers "who do not have their children." They do not deserve them. If they go extinct because they have killed or adopted out all their females, they got what they deserved

Imagine if 1/2 million American kids were sent to China every year for adoption.

That would be the fault of Americans, who should not have children they cannot take care of.

212 posted on 12/02/2004 6:50:40 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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