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Court: Parents May Spank
ctnow.com (Hartford Courant) ^ | November 30, 2004 | COLIN POITRAS

Posted on 11/30/2004 11:20:24 AM PST by kidd

Parents who spank their children as a form of discipline are not necessarily engaging in child abuse, even when they use a belt and leave a bruise, the state Appellate Court has said.

In a ruling released Monday, the judges recognized a parent's right to use "reasonable physical force" to discipline a child. They said that, before citing someone for physical abuse, the Department of Children and Families must take into account the circumstances surrounding the use of corporal punishment.

The judges said the agency's position that any non-accidental injury caused by a parent to a child qualifies as abuse is too narrow and in conflict with state law that allows "reasonable" corporal punishment of a child.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Connecticut; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: discipline; feverishly; parenting; spanking; theirmonkey
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To: MaineRepublic
Euripides?

Ya. Eumendides?

21 posted on 11/30/2004 11:30:26 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: wideawake
Of course, the best kind of discipline is the kind where just a look or a word will immediately curdle the blood of the offending child.

Helen Thomas' kids must be saints.
22 posted on 11/30/2004 11:30:28 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: TexasTransplant

Thank you.


23 posted on 11/30/2004 11:30:33 AM PST by dasboot
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To: dmz
While I agree that the family, not the govt, should have the final say, if you need to use a belt and leave bruises, something ain't right.

Not all bruises are intentional. And a belt or a switch was common fare back in my day.

24 posted on 11/30/2004 11:31:36 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: Roccus
Sure does teach you the difference between good and bad...really fast.
26 posted on 11/30/2004 11:32:45 AM PST by codyjacksmom (Proud, new 1st time grandma as of 11/07/04....now it's payback time!)
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To: wideawake
...the best kind of discipline is the kind where just a look or a word will immediately curdle the blood of the offending child.

And that reaction to your look comes from the experience of receiving punishment as a consequence of bad behavior. When used appropriately, corporal punishment serves to diminish its own necessity. Kids learn about actions and consequences, hence "the look" soon has the same effect.

27 posted on 11/30/2004 11:33:02 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: wideawake
Good ruling. Of course, the best kind of discipline is the kind where just a look or a word will immediately curdle the blood of the offending child.

The thing is, that look has to be backed up with something far more significant - it's not the look itself, but what that look means for the kid's immediate future if he doesn't straighten up.

28 posted on 11/30/2004 11:33:10 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Sloth

Thank you, I was about to post something myself but realized I'd have to go to the penalty box if I did. I knew some right thinkng person would bail me out.
Thank you, Roccus


29 posted on 11/30/2004 11:33:58 AM PST by Roccus
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To: MaineRepublic
Not all kids respond to time outs. Each parent has to deal with the unique personality of their own child. My son now responds best to time outs...he is 6. But at two they did absolutely nothing to correct his behavior. A parent that spanks usually doesn't have to continue the practice often. Just a threat of one will curb the behavior. At least that is how it worked with us. Once they knew we weren't joking the threat was all that was needed.

My favorite is getting advice from moms of girls. They used to look at my boy and freak out. I especially enjoy it when the moms used to girls then have a life wire boy. Of course, my girl has turned out to be as much of, if not more of, a live wire than my son. My mom enjoys that I know.

30 posted on 11/30/2004 11:35:32 AM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: kidd

Liberals don't want parents to spank, yell at, or home school children but they fully support killing them.


31 posted on 11/30/2004 11:35:51 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: MaineRepublic
It depends entirely on the kid. Sounds like you got two nice ones who responded to reason.

My daughter is a tender-hearted sensitive plant who can be wounded with a word or a hard look. She got a couple of quick pops on the bottom with a bare hand to end two or three tantrums as a Terrible Three - but when she turned four I sat down with her and we agreed she was "too old to be spanked" and sitting down to talk things out has worked with her ever since. But she's essentially a quiet and good child who would rather help around the house or read a book than dream up mischief.

My son on the other hand has the spiritual sensitivity of a large cast iron boiler and felt the flat of my hand (and his daddy's) numerous times until he was about nine. It was the only message that got through to him, and he is the sort of risk taker who actually puts his life in danger through not stopping to think. I'm talking about running out into traffic and playing with matches . . . stupid stuff. Of course, he's brave as a lion and will make somebody a good daddy (and/or a U.S. Marine) someday.

32 posted on 11/30/2004 11:37:16 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: TXBubba

life wire boy = live wire boy


33 posted on 11/30/2004 11:37:22 AM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: MaineRepublic

Clearly there is an undefined optimal level of force. Too little or too much force will cause a loss of respect.

The woman in the parking lot at the mall was way over the top.


34 posted on 11/30/2004 11:37:37 AM PST by kidd
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To: Roccus

"Though a bachelor..."

This father of 5 agrees. My kids have a healthy fear of my wrath and will typically obey without being so much as touched. The dreaded 'evil-eye' or a quick hand signal and they know its time to re-think what ever they may be up to. Spank early and often, then you're done.

While harder early on, compare this to trying to correct a 12 year old who is completely out of control and not only destroying their life, but the lives of many of those around them. Then explain to me that I'm an abuser and this 12 year old is better off.

B.S.


35 posted on 11/30/2004 11:37:47 AM PST by mad puppy ( "He's with me!" And I'm with W.)
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To: beaversmom

ping


37 posted on 11/30/2004 11:38:55 AM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TXBubba

When I spank my two year old, he only cries more. How do you do it?


38 posted on 11/30/2004 11:39:45 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: MaineRepublic
I've got two very well-behaved kids and I have never layed a hand on them in their entire lives. Yes I have yelled at them, and provided consequences such as taking away a favorite toy forever, for their bad behavior.

But really, only trash hit their kids.

You've just defined 95% of the people here as "trash". No wonder most think New Englander's are on crack when it comes to social issues.

39 posted on 11/30/2004 11:40:06 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Likewise. I was spanked loads when I was a kid, and you'd better believe that whatever I was doing at the time was never attempted again.

I've been spanked with hands, belts, wooden and metal spoons, you name it. Looking back, I understand that I needed this discipline at the time. In the immortal words of 80's cop show Sledge Hammer: "Constant spankings are why I turned out OK."


40 posted on 11/30/2004 11:40:15 AM PST by Serb5150 (Christlich leben selig sterben ist das beste das wir erben.)
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