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GOP Eyes 60-Vote Senate Majority
NewsMax ^ | 11/30/2004 | Joseph Taranto

Posted on 11/30/2004 10:18:30 AM PST by Hugenot

Now that President Bush has been re-elected to a second term, Republicans are already looking ahead to the midterm Senate races in 2006 and dreaming of a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority.

Some say it's a dream that could come true.

Five of the 17 Senate Democrats whose terms expire in 2006 are from states that voted for Bush. If they stay in the Republican column two years from now, the GOP could reach that magic 60 number.

For that to happen, however, Republicans have to shore up states where they may be vulnerable. Of the 33 Senate seats that will be elected in two years, 15 belong to Republicans. Three of these Republican senators are in states that went to Kerry on Election Day.

The Bush states with Democratic senators include Florida, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, and West Virginia. The blue states with sitting Republicans are Maine, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island.

Could the GOP pull it off?

If President Bush continues to succeed in the war on terror, democracy begins to take hold in Iraq and the economy keeps improving at home, it's possible.

And if Democrats fail to learn from their mistakes - and continue to turn off the electorate with their soft-on-national-security policies and overwrought anti-Bush rhetoric - that can only improve the chances for GOP success.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: Florida; US: Maine; US: Nebraska; US: North Dakota; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2006; bush; democrats; electionussenate; filibusters; republicanmajority; republicans; senate; ussenate
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To: dubyaismypresident

Yes, this is true. Of course, 2000 was such a good year for Dems because 1994 was such a good year for pubbies. All things being equal, you should expect each party to win close to 50% of the seats. A retirement really only throws the energy and funds for a battle to that seat from some other seat which would be hotly contested. The high number of retirement-related targets this year for the GOP was partly why there was very little $$ and attention for other vulnerable seats like in Washington and Wisconsin.

An abberation to this rule is the 2008 crop, which by sheer luck is very heavily skewed towards red states, so Dems will have a hard time gaining more than the only 12 seats they currently have.


81 posted on 11/30/2004 12:36:48 PM PST by dangus
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To: dubyaismypresident

Yes, this is true. Of course, 2000 was such a good year for Dems because 1994 was such a good year for pubbies. All things being equal, you should expect each party to win close to 50% of the seats. A retirement really only throws the energy and funds for a battle to that seat from some other seat which would be hotly contested. The high number of retirement-related targets this year for the GOP was partly why there was very little $$ and attention for other vulnerable seats like in Washington and Wisconsin.

An abberation to this rule is the 2008 crop, which by sheer luck is very heavily skewed towards red states, so Dems will have a hard time gaining more than the only 12 seats they currently have.

ADDITION:

The Democrats were foolish in 2004 to focus so much on red-state retirements. They should've spent their money on purple states like Kentucky and Pennsylvania.


82 posted on 11/30/2004 12:37:44 PM PST by dangus
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To: alwaysconservative

Forget about Ed Schafer. He is a lost cause, a sink of political capital if you will. The spoiled rich kid who wants to spend the rest of his life entertaining himself.


83 posted on 11/30/2004 12:38:20 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: goldstategop
The Democrats never got more than 62 Senate seats at the height of their power.

Roosevelt's coat-tails from the 1936 election gave the Democrats 76 seats. They only had 47 after the 1930 midterms. Obviously, gaining 29 seats in six years could never be done today, but it doesn't make gaining five seem so radical
84 posted on 11/30/2004 12:40:38 PM PST by JohnBDay
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To: ElRushbo

First Tommy would have to want the job. He has always wanted to be number one, not a equal among 100 others.


85 posted on 11/30/2004 12:48:17 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Hank Rearden

>> Spending bills, by law, originate in the House. Have you seen the spending bills lately?<<

O my gosh, did you not learn anything about politics SINCE the 3rd grade?

In the real world, the Senate initiates its very own spending bills long before the House passes its. The two very independently crafted bills go to a joint committee of both houses. Where they then pretty much agree to the Senate version, because the Senate has the power of the filibuster.

The House has passed far better spending bills, even bucking President Bush's enormous give-away to geezers. But there is little they can do to force the Senate to pass better legislation, short of shutting the government down.


86 posted on 11/30/2004 12:50:01 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
But there is little they can do to force the Senate to pass better legislation, short of shutting the government down.

Well?

87 posted on 11/30/2004 12:52:13 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden

>> A decade ago, Pubbies promised to eliminate the Depts of Education and Commerce (and I think Energy as well). Do we still have them? Why? And by golly, I do believe we have even more Cabinet departments than we did back then. That's probably not costing taxpayers less.<<

Blame the President, then. Clinton and Bush have both opposed plans to eliminate the DoE, the DoC, the NEA and PBS. With a good president, we could probably get rid of three of those four. (PBS would simply get its revenue elsewhere.)

Your awareness of current events matches your astounding ignorance of politics.


88 posted on 11/30/2004 1:01:27 PM PST by dangus
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To: HostileTerritory; IronJack

I have no reason to think Nelson will not prevail. He has been pretty careful to avoid having too high a Dem party loyalty quotient. But maybe you know more about what is going on on the ground in Nebraska than I do. I don't live there. Ironjack does though. Maybe he has an opinion.


89 posted on 11/30/2004 1:02:12 PM PST by Torie
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To: dangus
Did you forget that the Democrats ran the Senate from 2000-2002?

Perhaps you missed where I wrote, "... a majority in both houses of Congress since 1994 (with the exception of the first two years without Jumpin' Jim Jeffords)."

Or that Sens. Specter, Chafee, Collins and Snowe gave liberals 51 seats from 2002-2004?

The subject was the GOP. I clearly mentioned the GOP and their majority rule.

the liberals have run the Senate.

I appreciate your point. But, "Liberals" have not been running the Senate committees; "Republicans" have.

I guess we'll see what comes of what you expect will prove to be the first "conservative majority" in Congress. But, I won't be going in with high expectations. In view of the past 10 years of Republican rule, I'll be happy to set myself up to be pleasantly surprised instead of disappointed (yet again).

90 posted on 11/30/2004 1:03:25 PM PST by newgeezer (...until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.)
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To: dangus
There are some people who just like to bitch and moan about everything so they don't have to look at their own lives.

Pardon me but, what the h*ll do you know about me or my life?

91 posted on 11/30/2004 1:05:31 PM PST by newgeezer (...until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.)
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To: Last Dakotan

I really, really don't see him that way. He is one of the most generous politicians I've ever seen in terms of spending his political capital for the benefit of other Republicans (sort of like his friend President George W. Bush), he worked like a dog on other Republican campaigns, some successful and some not, and he is VERY community-oriented without blowing his own horn. He has a tremendous amount of personal energy and he's not afraid to use it for political or community good.

That said, it would be wise for President Bush to consider appointing either Conrad or Dorgan to the Ag position, for tactical reasons as well as the fact that they both portray themselves as conservatives (at least during election years) on agricultural and economy issues. It would be "bipartisan" and it would get them out of their life-tenure seats (as it seems) in the Senate. Then Hoeven could appoint Schafer or any one of the other very strong conservatives in the state in the interim.


92 posted on 11/30/2004 1:08:09 PM PST by alwaysconservative (Ever notice that leftists don't have a sense of humor?)
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To: Hank Rearden

>> Is Government bigger or smaller?<<

Reversing the trend of every year of the last century, it has gotten much smaller, thank you.

>> Federal spending bigger or smaller?<<
Blame Bush for the geezer bailout, but even given the recent increases in defense, federal spending (adjusted for inflation) is down substantially since 1994.

>>National debt bigger or smaller? <<
>>Deficit smaller or at record levels? <<

As of when the Democrats retook the Senate, the deficit had been turned into a massive surplus, and the debt was the smallest it had EVER been in real dollars. With the recession, the war, and Senate Democrats, it has since increased, but is actually quite small as a portion of the GDP, historically.

>> And how 'bout that pork spending, huh? Has that stopped, or even been frozen?<<

It has been greatly reduced.

>> Can we choose our own toilets yet, or do we still have to smuggle Canadian units to get one that works? <<

Time for a bunny and a pancake to get together.


93 posted on 11/30/2004 1:11:45 PM PST by dangus
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To: goldstategop; JCEccles
Originally posted by goldstategop:
"The Democrats never got more than 62 Senate seats at the height of their power. Realistically, the GOP is never going to get more than that number if they win ALL the seats in Red States."

Actually, no. It was not 62 Democrat Senate seats, at the height of the Democrats power which was during the 75th Congress (1937-1939) they had 76 Senators to the 16 Republicans (96 Senators total), in the House they had 333 Democrats to 89 Republicans (435 Representatives total) with FDR in his second term in office.


US Senate
Division by Party
Historical


Congress Years_Term Senate
Majority
Party
Allotted
Number of
Senators
Administration Opposition Federalist Democratic-
Republican
Whig Democrat Republican Others Vacant
1st 1789-1791 Administration 26 18 8
2nd 1791-1793 Administration 26/28/30 16 9/11/13 1
3rd 1793-1795 Administration 30 16/16/17 13/14/13 1/0/0
4th 1795-1797 Federalist 30/32 21 11
5th 1797-1799 Federalist 32 22 10
6th 1799-1801 Federalist 32 22 10
7th 1801-1803 Dem-Reps 32/34 15 17 0/2
8th 1803-1805 Dem-Reps 34 9 25
9th 1805-1807 Dem-Reps 34 7 27
10th 1807-1809 Dem-Reps 34 6 28
11th 1809-1811 Dem-Reps 34 7 27
12th 1811-1813 Dem-Reps 34/36 6 30
13th 1814-1815 Dem-Reps 36 8 28
14th 1815-1817 Dem-Reps 36/38 12 26
15th 1817-1819 Dem-Reps 38/40/42 12 30
16th 1819-1821 Dem-Reps 42/44/46 9 37
17th 1821-1823 Dem-Reps 48 4 44
18th 1823-1825 Dem-Reps 48 17 31
19th 1825-1827 Dem-Reps 48 22 26
20th 1827-1829 Dem-Reps 48 21 27
21st 1829-1831 Democrat 48 23 25
22nd 1831-1833 Democrat 48 22 24
23rd 1834-1835 Whigs 48 26 20 2
24th 1835-1837 Democrat 48/50/52 24 26 2
25th 1837-1839 Democrat 52 17 35
26th 1839-1841 Democrat 52 22 30
27th 1841-1843 Whigs 52 29 22 1
28th 1843-1845 Whigs 52 29 23
29th 1845-1847 Democrat 52/54/56/58 22 34 2
30th 1847-1849 Democrat 58/60 21 38 1
31st 1849-1851 Democrat 60/62 25 35 2
32nd 1851-1853 Democrat 62 23 36 3
33rd 1853-1855 Democrat 62 22 38 2
34th 1855-1857 Democrat 62 42 15 5
35th 1857-1859 Democrat 62/64 39 20 5
36th 1859-1861 Democrat 64/66/68 38 26 2
37th 1861-1863 Republican 50 15 31 3 1
38th 1863-1865 Republican 52 10 33 9
39th 1865-1867 Republican 54 11 39 4
40th 1867-1869 Republican 68 9 57 2
41st 1869-1871 Republican 74 12 62
42nd 1871-1873 Republican 74 17 56 1
43rd 1873-1875 Republican 74 19 47 7 1
44th 1875-1877 Republican 76 28 46 1 1
45th 1877-1879 Republican 76 35 40 1
46th 1879-1881 Republican 76 33 42 1
47th 1881-1883 Republican 76 37 37 2
48th 1883-1885 Republican 76 36 38 2
49th 1885-1887 Republican 76 34 42
50th 1887-1889 Republican 76 37 39
51st 1889-1891 Republican 88 37 51
52nd 1891-1893 Republican 88 39 47 2
53rd 1893-1895 Republican 88 40 44 4
54th 1895-1897 Republican 90 40 44 6
55th 1897-1899 Republican 90 34 44 12
56th 1899-1901 Republican 90 26 53 10 1
57th 1901-1903 Republican 90 32 56 2
58th 1903-1905 Republican 90 33 57
59th 1905-1907 Republican 90 32 58
60th 1907-1909 Republican 92 31 61
61st 1909-1911 Republican 92 32 60
62nd 1911-1913 Republican 96 44 52
63rd 1913-1915 Republican 96 44 51 1
64th 1915-1917 Democrat 96 56 40
65th 1917-1919 Democrat 96 54 42
66th 1919-1921 Republican 96 47 49
67th 1921-1923 Republican 96 37 59
68th 1923-1925 Republican 96 42 53 1
69th 1925-1927 Republican 96 41 54 1
70th 1927-1929 Republican 96 46 48 1 1
71st 1929-1931 Republican 96 39 56 1
72nd 1931-1933 Republican 96 47 48 1
73rd 1933-1935 Democrat 96 59 36 1
74th 1935-1937 Democrat 96 69 25 2
75th 1937-1939 Democrat 96 76 16 3
76th 1939-1941 Democrat 96 69 23 3
77th 1941-1943 Democrat 96 66 28 2
78th 1943-1945 Democrat 96 57 38 1
79th 1945-1947 Democrat 96 57 38 1
80th 1947-1949 Democrat 96 51 45
81st 1949-1951 Democrat 96 54 42
82nd 1951-1953 Democrat 96 49 47
83rd 1953-1955 Republican 96 47 48 1
84th 1955-1957 Democrat 96 48 47 1
85th 1957-1959 Democrat 96 49 47
86th 1959-1961 Democrat 100 65 35
87th 1961-1963 Democrat 100 64 36
88th 1963-1965 Democrat 100 66 34
89th 1965-1967 Democrat 100 68 32
90th 1967-1969 Democrat 100 64 36
91st 1969-1971 Democrat 100 57 43
92nd 1971-1973 Democrat 100 54 44 2
93rd 1973-1975 Democrat 100 56 42 2
94th 1975-1977 Democrat 100 60 38 2
95th 1977-1979 Democrat 100 61 38 1
96th 1979-1981 Democrat 100 58 41 1
97th 1981-1983 Republican 100 46 53 1
98th 1983-1985 Republican 100 46 54
99th 1985-1987 Republican 100 47 53
100th 1987-1989 Democrat 100 55 45
101st 1989-1991 Democrat 100 55 45
102nd 1991-1993 Democrat 100 56 44
103rd 1993-1995 Democrat 100 57 43
104th 1995-1997 Republican 100 48/47 52/53
105th 1997-1999 Republican 100 45 55
106th 1999-2001 Republican 100 45/46 55/54
107th 2001-2003 Rep/Dem 100 50/50 50/49 0/1
108th 2003-2005 Republican 100 48 51 1
109th 2005-2007 Republican 100 44 55 1


Source: US Senate: Party Division in the Senate, 1789 to Present

Hope this helps,

dvwjr

94 posted on 11/30/2004 1:16:10 PM PST by dvwjr
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To: Hugenot

66 in '06!


95 posted on 11/30/2004 1:20:03 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All I ask from livin' is to have no chains on me. All I ask from dyin' is to go naturally.)
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To: newgeezer

Not much. Not that I claimed to know anything specific. I was inferring situation from your behavior, and not the other way around. But since you now tempt me, I can safely speculate that you're a prematurely embittered man who can't understand why everyone who isn't obligated to like him doesn't. (Psst: it's your social skills and your counter-productive cynicism.)


96 posted on 11/30/2004 1:20:48 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
(Psst: it's your social skills and your counter-productive cynicism.)

Psst: Keep your day job (unless it has anything even remotely to do with psychology).

97 posted on 11/30/2004 1:26:06 PM PST by newgeezer (...until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.)
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To: alwaysconservative
I just see him doing local pizzeria commercials. Sad.
98 posted on 11/30/2004 1:31:03 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Chesterbelloc

True. If both Senators from each Red/Blue states were R/'s, then you would have 62 R Senators and 38 D's.

Encouraging thought.


99 posted on 11/30/2004 1:36:34 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: newgeezer
"Sure, in raw dollars. Similarly, a 2004 Cavalier was an ultra-luxury car because it cost twice as much as a 1962 Cadillac"

In raw dollars and in ever other way you care to think of, including removing the marriage penalty, more tax relief for having children, massive reduction in the dividend tax and inheritance tax,etc etc.
These Bush tax cuts were extensive as they were solid.
Nothing "token" about them at all,like you keep claiming.
100 posted on 11/30/2004 1:49:58 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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