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To: Trinity_Tx
You continue to maintain that what you state are The Facts, and that to disagree with or question you means to disagree with or question God Himself.

Oh, please. The drama is so thick in here now... No, I never claimed that to question me is to question God. That is your over-reaction to being corrected and not liking it. And it reaches to the core of argumentation - credibility. You've displayed that when proven wrong, the facts no longer matter and you will do anything to try and win by false means - like, stuffing the ballot box when the election goes against you. Dishonest people can't live with being betrayed for what they are. And now you display that by attacking me because your argument is a lie.

Scripture says God made Man from the dust of the earth - after he made animals. It does not say that he made man from the animals. The language rejects any case being made for that. And that isn't a matter of interpretation. It's like saying - I built a wagon from the timbers of the earth and having you come along and say - no it was made of steal, we're just misinterpreting timber to mean treas instead of metal. You stand language and common sense on it's head and pretend that getting it right is whacked because it serves your purposes to lie. Too bad.

565 posted on 12/02/2004 4:43:16 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc
Now you've done it...

Oh Please, indeed. You're the one who's been so dramatic and, frankly, offensive with your gallingly presumptive judgements about others' motives and beliefs.

Knock it off. Debating the literacy of the Bible is fine. But you don't know other mens' hearts. So stop being so shamelessly quick to judge them.

As for me, you haven't "whacked" me (do get over yourself), I haven't "lied" and you have no foundation for saying I have. I wasn't the one you were even debating with. I simply noticed the injustice of yet another of your false and in this case, hypocritical, accusals upon someone else, and like you, "I have zero tolerance for it or unjust people."

And while I tend to hold my tongue through these flame wars, you happen to cross the line more than even I can take. Between your long-winded pontificating, calling people "liars" and "liberals", and presuming to know their hearts and relationship with God, I think you are the one who needs to do the introspecting.

(Frankly, after reading your "watching a guy's glass eye pop out of his head while his hands are raised in the air.. Full sized glass eye, spinning about on the floor while a full, real eye developed with sight in his socket." story, I'm suspecting projection, but I won't do your "diagnosis from a distance" routine.)

Either way, compared to other Christians here who manage to state their case without insulting everyone who disagrees, your Fruit is toxic with, not just subtle Pride, but pomposity.

Again, if you understand the meaning of "begging the question", it is you who do it; You presume to know -by God- that the genesis story of God creating man out of dust is literally true and say anyone who disagrees with your belief that God meant it to be the literal truth is calling God Himself a Liar - and your only support for such an accusation is that presumption alone.
578 posted on 12/02/2004 6:04:03 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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