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To: Dimensio
Until then, it's a diversionary tactic where you compare yourself to people who were clearly in the right

Diversion, bunk! It's pointing out the obvious. The truth of a matter is never popular and ESPECIALLY when the rest of the world already *believes* something else. And that is usually the case. History is littered with such examples and it was offered to say as much.. nothing else. And it was offered in rebutt to your attempt at this everyone else believes different argument. The Catholics like to use this fallacy in debate as well; but, they take a slightly different twist by adding that they've believed it for a long time. If you want to play numbers, then we should look at the Chinese and say that Freedom in a Constitutional republic is wrong because there are billions of Chinese and they embrace totalitarian atheistic communism, right? They've also been around with their system for a while longer than everyone else, so the age of it must mean something too, right? That was the offer - to dispell your fallacious assertion. I don't need to prove myself to you. And I can't prove God to you, you'll have to do that for yourself; but, you can't do it by denying God and giving him less of a chance than you've Given Darwin, can you. Easy enough to see that if I chose to disbelieve in you and chose instead, arbitrarily to believe against you because I've decided that you're inconvenient to me, then I've just hobbled myself for ever getting to the truth about you. You can't be honest with yourself about God, I can do well enough Defending God to others from you; but, it took God revealing himself in my life and I was willing to believe.. you aren't. I have plenty of experience with that. Belief is a funny thing. People will talk themselves out of believing things they just saw if they don't want to believe it. There are people that I know that have witnessed things I've seen and talked themselves out of it to the point they won't even discuss it now. It isn't like God is hiding from you either - he's everywhere. All you have to do is start talking - respectfully I would advise if you intend to get anywhere.

I missed the school bus one morning when I was in Highschool. The school was 8 miles away and half an hour to 45 minutes from start of classes. It was winter and I wasn't getting to school but on that bus. But it had already gone by. So I prayed that God would do something to get me to school. This is an early example in my life. It is something that didn't violate God's will or scripture. I asked God to find a way and direct me to it to get to school. The gut response I had was to wait. So I waited. Five minutes later, the schoolbus pulled up again. I asked if the bus driver had seen me when she pulled away while I approached the stop, and she said no.. she just had this sudden sense that she needed to turn off and come back around and before she thought about it, she'd done so. I made it to school on time with the bus. Little things like that add up over time till you're willing to trust God to provide a way for anything to happen - like watching a guy's glass eye pop out of his head while his hands are raised in the air.. Full sized glass eye, spinning about on the floor while a full, real eye developed with sight in his socket. You can't explain such things away with science and nobody will publish it because it offends their sensabilities. This is why the far right must be discussed in terms not unlike the veriage used by racists; but, people who turn a blind eye to ethnic clensing, homosexuality, beastiality, pedophilia, etc are seen as "tolerant" - as though tolerance of sick things is supposed to be good?! Seek God. You can then view yourself as whacked when you prove him to yourself. Then what will you do? You still will have a big choice to make afterward. The way you act, I would bet you've already been there or have done so much God would disapprove of that you have to live in denial. Who knows, you are afterall, just errant modem static..

369 posted on 11/30/2004 6:51:46 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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Full sized glass eye, spinning about on the floor while a full, real eye developed with sight in his socket.

I'm a bit preoccupied right now, so I'll have to address the bulk of Havoc's latest post later, but does anyone else actually believe this?

For me, it's not just the implausability of the claim, but also the fact that I've never actually heard of anyone who believes in faith healing ever say that such a thing has happened before.
371 posted on 11/30/2004 7:22:14 PM PST by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://www.aa419.org)
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To: Havoc

Static Placemarker


374 posted on 11/30/2004 7:35:19 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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