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To: ConservativeDude
#1. You don't test the Bible against secular scientific facts. You test secular scientific facts against the Bible.

The Bible is many things. Unfortunately, it isn't a science textbook.

#2. There is plenty of science which is perfectly compatible with the Biblical account.

Actually, there isn't.

I would suggest checking out www.icr.org, but you are probably one of the people here who will say that the scientists there aren't real and they have diploma mill degrees.

1. They do have diploma mill degrees.

2. They have been caught misrepresenting the evidence....and persisting in doing so, even after they (a) acknowledged that they were wrong, and (b) promising to stop.

That would of course be completely wrong, but you'd probably insist in order to try to discredit them.

ICR discredited itself long before I ever showed up.

#3. I think you need to redirect your salvo to yourself. It is not me who is trying to tell God how to run things.

Again, it is.

If, from His perspective, he created the Universe in six days, that doesn't mean that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. You're confining Him to our definition of "six days."

He has told us how he runs things in the Bible.

He is silent on the science of it.

And you're telling Him to get with the program and just shut up and believe the scientists.

Nope. The scientists just record what they observe. God did it that way, I'm not going to argue with Him.

So, while I agree with the sentiment of "quit telling God how He's supposed to be doing things" the target is not me. But you.

I'm not the one telling Him thet He must have created the Universe in 144 hours.

#4. With regards to the scientific community being united against creationist like 99%...I can only say, of course they are.

Those scientists include many devout Christians.

That's what I would expect. But I would also point out that probably 75% of the "economists" on American faculties are socialists and probably 99% of the "political scientists" are socialist.

Neither of those disciplines are on anything resembling a scientific basis.

Here's a brief list of what you'd have to ignore to throw evolution out of the scientific picture:

Genetics
Immunology
Petroleum Geology
Plate Tectonics
Botany
Biology

The remaining 1% are communist. Just kidding. Sort of....You get the point, though. The people that brought us socialism might be wrong on the origins of the universe.

Science isn't socialism.

Especially since no one alive today was there to observe the origin of the universe. Isn't science based on observation?

Yes, it is. That's why creationism isn't science, because it involves carefully not observing the evidence at hand.

Friends, the real issue here is the authority of Scripture. Either you buy it or you don't.

What are you going to believe, the Bible's valuation of pi (3), or those evil secular mathemeticians who say it's 3.141596523...?

I don't really have a problem with either camp. I happen to belong to the camp that buys it. But it is intellectually dishonest to say that you believe the Bible - and evolution.

The Bible was written by men, who were inspired by God. It wasn't dictated word for word by God--unless, for example, God forgot who some of Paul's associates were.

They wrote as the Spirit of God moved them to. Sometimes made mistakes. But those mistakes were in the accidents--i.e., the trivial stuff of physical description, such as giving the value of pi as exactly 3--but not in the substance of the message--i.e., what God was trying to tell us.

293 posted on 11/30/2004 2:09:36 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah

"Sometimes made mistakes."

That's the difference in our views. No need to belabor the other points. That's the only one that matters.


304 posted on 11/30/2004 2:26:16 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Poohbah

You don't have a leg to stand on. I don't think anyone disputes that God inspired the Bible, and that God is perfect.


306 posted on 11/30/2004 2:27:10 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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