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To: SoothingDave
I am not denying the Trinity as a means of describing the multi-dimensional properties of a single God. I have already stated that I accept that some persons, while living, were endowed with special Grace and did miraculous deeds. Since acceptance into Heaven is an unconditional forgiveness of sins I don't accept that Saints, once there, are more special than anyothers. Not to be too legalistic, if the final judgement has not yet happened I have some doubt that the Saints have actually arrived in Heaven yet.

The real disconnect between us is the question of some humans being infallable. I don't accept the infallibility of those who have claimed to speak on behalf of God. Anyone who says that "God speaks to me and I will tell you what he says" is taking the Lords name in vain. This includes Street Preachers, Televangelists, Popes, the Bishops of Nicene, Saints and even some authors of the Gospels who were not eye witnesses.

59 posted on 12/01/2004 11:46:57 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
Since acceptance into Heaven is an unconditional forgiveness of sins I don't accept that Saints, once there, are more special than anyothers.

Than any others in Heaven, no. No one is saying that certain saints are in a higher class or what have you. The point is whether one thinks that saints have an interest in our lives (and the capacity granted to intervene, to help) or not. We think the former.

Not to be too legalistic, if the final judgement has not yet happened I have some doubt that the Saints have actually arrived in Heaven yet.

If God lives in eternity, then those who are with Him in eternity are outside of our earthly concepts of time. So asking whether they are there "yet" doesn't really translate into eternity. It's a timeless reality.

This includes Street Preachers, Televangelists, Popes, the Bishops of Nicene, Saints and even some authors of the Gospels who were not eye witnesses.

If you don't believe in Popes, the Bishops of the Church assembled in council, or, seemingly, the idea of divine revelation through human channels, why do you call yourself Catholic?

Do you believe Jesus is God?

SD

64 posted on 12/01/2004 1:29:57 PM PST by SoothingDave
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