Posted on 11/30/2004 9:07:17 AM PST by yonif
If at first you don't succeed, bomb,bomb again...
Can you say bunker busting nuke? Sure.
It seems there is no desire for regime change since people of Iran are not considered as an option. If all stands, Islamic Republic will stay the course of their guessing game for the world and successfully put down any internal opposition. There is no mention of organizing internal resistance with any kind of leadership. So this Iran thing will continue for the next 25 years since England and such got their oil contract. I wonder since people of Iran must decide, would it be conceivable for them to switch sides since their desire for change is lost due to abandonment. A nuclear Iran is the dream of all Iranians, so Mullahs might take even a bigger prize of popular support if they supper size. Just a thought since the window seem to be closing.
"A nuclear Iran is the dream of all Iranians" .. Uh, that is the dream of all Islam, to have a weapon for blackmailing the rest of the world into bowing before their moon good.
Can't we just nuke 'em?
I would love to see President Bush and soon-to-be SecState Condaleeza Rice dust off the "Good Cop/Bad Cop Rules of Diplomacy and Gamesmanship" used and perfected by President Nixon and Henry Kissenger when dealing with North Vietnamese Dignitaries in the 1970s.
Condi could be the Good Cop discussing the future of North Korea. Or Iran. Or Syria. Persuading them to de-escalate. Dial back and eventually trash their nuclear adventures. Lest "The Crazy Cowboy in the White House" decides to turn their landscapes to glass.
Jack.
rogue, excuse me.
"rouge country"
LOL. You were thinking of potential enemies. Maybe you had France on your mind.
I am not particularly worried about Saudis or other Muslim Arab nation desires. I speak from my desire for free Iran. Our pussyfooting around this issue might cost the world dearly because Persians are the brains of the ME and nothing like Syria or Egypt or…, I fear Iranians are succumbing to mullahs pressures and persuasions and a partnership is forming. Periodic surveys are indicating shifts in Iran’s populous. Today’s mullah has more supporters than the one last month!
War or bomb, guns or butter, why all these decisions? Why can't we have it all? In fact, since we have the bomb, why can't we bring war upon all those we wish to? I decide not to decide but rather to have it all!!! ;>)
"a partnership is forming"
Between whom?
I don't want to see a nuclear armed Iran either, but remember that Iranian power, while antagonistic to the west and supportive of Hezbollah, is somewhat welcomed by the Israelis (yup the same ones that may becomed threatened by a nuke armed Iran) as a counterforce against Arab hegemony in the region. Its not all cut and dried there... But clearly its the mullahs that want the bomb, to blackmail the U.S. and to destroy Israel. The mullahs are threatened by the Jewish state, however any reasonable regime in Iran, regardless of its actual relations, are in the interest of the Israelis, because by them dealing with the Arab powers and competing for who controls the destiny of Islam, they both are not coming together to go after Israel.
In the end, I think we need to act to curtail Iranian nuclear ambitions, because a democratic regime would likely respect world opinion and be counted on to be believed, but the mullahs don't care about lying to the west. We already control their eastern and western borders. Lets take out the mullahs and dismantle the nukes...
Owl_Eagle
”Guns Before Butter.”
"Of course, a blockade would result in oil market disturbances with economic consequences, not to mention diplomatic problems with the Europeans (as if. . .)"
This is actually the best possible option in my opinion. The more Iraqi crude now flowing out of the gulf the less we need Iran's oil.
Mullah’s support from Iranian people is at about 30%. Introduce the Bomb into the survey and it flips. I figure once they get the bomb, well …
I completely agree. There never is a cut and dried anything in that region’s politics. I don’t even see a treat to Israel from Iran as evidenced in your conversation. Opening and developing markets in the region does not even compare to a single arms sale if there is a perception of a rogue state. Therefore I am pessimistic in this regime change ideology and I am accepting it more and more everyday. An abandoned friend (the Iranian people) could remember it 25 years from now and armed with nukes and a superpower mentality, the next Dr. Mosadegh will perhaps not be toppled or bought and his loyalties will be very uncertain.
Islamism makes strange bedfellows ... Iranians are not Arabs. Perhaps the religion of pieces causes some rational people to become irrational. Our history with Iran is not something to be proud of, what with our support of Pahlavi and his murderous dictatorship. It must be hard for the world at large to comprehend that the current political power in America is radically different from what has come before. Or is it?
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